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baseball 10-11-2016 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2220791)
Hogan schmogan. We're probably losing some great guys because of it.

What exactly is the Hogan? I am a United Captain and no one has ever explained it to me. I would love to see it, just so I know what it's all about. Never took it at CAL.

C-17 Driver 10-11-2016 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2221040)
What exactly is the Hogan? I am a United Captain and no one has ever explained it to me. I would love to see it, just so I know what it's all about. Never took it at CAL.


This link will help..

Hogan Personality test

2isclear 10-11-2016 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2220584)
All correct. Except the first XJT CPP pilot has hasn't set foot on property yet. Not sure about commutair's.

First class from CommutAir is in November. 5 pilots.

tailwheel48 10-11-2016 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2221040)
What exactly is the Hogan? I am a United Captain and no one has ever explained it to me. I would love to see it, just so I know what it's all about. Never took it at CAL.

Me neither!

HR has taken over the whole hiring process which is really sad. Lots of good prospects are getting passed over or not even being considered.

When I went through the process almost thirty years ago you went before a panel of two or three senior captains. They looked over your logbooks and had a nice informal chat.

I believe that HR really has no place hiring pilots. Pilots should be hiring pilots! Weak pilots were weeded out during training and the psychos never made it through probation.

I guess these days it's more PC to have HR determine what makes a good pilot. I prefer the old way!

C-17 Driver 10-11-2016 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by tailwheel48 (Post 2221299)
Me neither!

HR has taken over the whole hiring process which is really sad. Lots of good prospects are getting passed over or not even being considered.

When I went through the process almost thirty years ago you went before a panel of two or three senior captains. They looked over your logbooks and had a nice informal chat.

I believe that HR really has no place hiring pilots. Pilots should be hiring pilots! Weak pilots were weeded out during training and the psychos never made it through probation.

I guess these days it's more PC to have HR determine what makes a good pilot. I prefer the old way!


The Hogan assessment has been around for a while now. I was hired in 2007 by United and I had to do it then. There were approx 150 or so new hires in 07-08 and we were the first batch to be subjected to the Hogan. Back then, I had to take the Hogan at a secure testing facility. I had to provide proof of identification and was in a secure testing environment. I would not be surprised if there was some secret underground racket going on where someone can take the Hogan test for someone else. If so, it would be a pretty ballsy move.

My interview was in Chicago at the old UAL HQ building. There was no sim. It was one hour of technical with a captain and the other hour was HR related. Only a two person panel and it was relatively quick. he van driver on the way back to the airport. I think word got back a

Like it or not, I believe HR's involvement in the hiring process is here to stay.

For the record, I agree with the way it was done before. I do think HR should have some involvement in the process, but no where near as much as they do today.

just my humble $.02

C17D

ron kent 10-11-2016 03:29 PM

I will say that after flying with many newhires in the last few years that the current system seems to be working just fine. High quality individuals to a person.

757Driver 10-11-2016 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2220791)
Hogan schmogan. We're probably losing some great guys because of it.

This.

And also hiring some complete toolbags also directly because of this. Bring back the mostly Pilots interviewing Pilots routine we had years ago.

TiredSoul 10-11-2016 05:45 PM

Since you can apparently "practice" for a personality test....what's the use?
You buy test prep online for $39.95..........

sourdough44 10-16-2016 03:29 AM

I always say apply to each airline you MAY consider working at, including the reapply after a 'failed' Hogan test or whatever. Once an offer comes your way, that is the time to give it consideration.

The hiring rules, policies, & procedures change over the years. No sense putting up a futile effort fighting it, adapt, go forward, and persevere.

UAL T38 Phlyer 10-16-2016 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by tailwheel48 (Post 2221299)
Me neither!

HR has taken over the whole hiring process which is really sad. Lots of good prospects are getting passed over or not even being considered.

When I went through the process almost thirty years ago you went before a panel of two or three senior captains. They looked over your logbooks and had a nice informal chat.

I believe that HR really has no place hiring pilots. Pilots should be hiring pilots! Weak pilots were weeded out during training and the psychos never made it through probation.

I guess these days it's more PC to have HR determine what makes a good pilot. I prefer the old way!


^^This. All of the absolutely best candidates I know have been ignored by UA.....and hired by Delta.


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