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webecheck 11-19-2016 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2245775)
You absolutely can't attribute all or even most of the stock increases the entire sector has seen to buybacks.

Correct. The stock price climb is a combination of positive company performance, buybacks, reduction of capex, and investor sentiment...the latter from the macro market scamming everyone to believe a Hillary win would be better economically, investor community starting to believe in Oscar, and most recently the Buffet announcement.


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2245775)
My broader point is one day we will wake up in the middle of a financial storm and deeply regret the many billions wasted on buybacks. Maybe, as you suggest, if its timed perfectly and used with precision, it could result in better numbers down the road on some things. But I don't ever see any airline making more from this than they paid to do it. The last time it rained, SWA crowd surfed above the entire industry taking marketshare with complete impunity and almost putting a legacy or two out of business, while paying 130 seat drivers higher than whale pay. All because they were making what, a billion a year off the hedges?

Correct, history suggests it's a fleecing of assets for those who don't care about the long term viability of the operation but just want to stuff pockets with short term gain while we're all left holding the bag of a financially insolvent company that our livelihood depends on. Only options for us though are to change careers, become mgmt at said airline, change airlines, or believe in Oscar and do our best. The SWA pilots believed in their mgmt and it worked out for them. I'm not changing careers, and I already declined Delta, so right now I am left with nothing but giving my best for all of us.


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2245775)
We still have a lot of debt too, despite the hype that they're paying it down. DL has less debt on capital but more on pensions. There will come a time when one or more legacies rues the day they whizzed away many many billions on something that will be viewed as relatively frivolous in hindsight.

Again, that remains to be seen and you could be right. I really hope not and i can't do anything from my seat about it so I guess I can't live in negativity, but I'll add it's easier to fleece from an operation you know the government will bail out. You think US airlines will be treated better or worse going forward? I think worse unless any cratering can be tied to ME3/NAI. That should in theory suggest mgmt will be more genuine in their actions, and further highlights the need for the right CEO. Of all the CEOs in the airline world right now, who would you bet on? I guess my point is, we all want to be pilots and aren't changing careers, and virtually every airline in the world is hiring gangbusters. At some point you have to pick one and get onboard. If the pilot group wants more control of the operation, and that could be a legitimate option, then we need to push for contract alterations.

Never give up PS, it will allow you to sleep easier at night when the company makes these moves to increase the bottom line.

socalflyboy 11-19-2016 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by buscappy (Post 2246015)
i believe i've written this before
but
Boeing will be using the same 1950s guppy airframes in 150 yrs for interstellar travel because
Southwest will Never change airframes as that would disrupt their business/operational model

Every time I hit the recall button(6pack), which is about 90 times before you even line up and wait, I give a small verbal thank you to Swa for this....

Grumble 11-19-2016 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by socalflyboy (Post 2246441)
Every time I hit the recall button(6pack), which is about 90 times before you even line up and wait, I give a small verbal thank you to Swa for this....

All that glass real estate doing nothing. "Next gen."

DashTrash 11-20-2016 05:40 AM

The Guppy is a historically good airplane and has had its time. But that time is over now. It's a 1958 airplane at heart. Airbus is killing Boeing on the need of customers, other than SWA. The Guppy is not a 757 and it never will be!!! Neither is an A321NEO, but it's closer to it than the Guppy. Boeing set the standard and then stopped producing the standard. If Boeing would bring back the 757 with current technology, I believe that Airbus would sell a lot less A321s. A new 757 would re-establish the standard.

PA Slammer 11-20-2016 05:55 AM

...another thread digresses into 737 hate. A few Boeing vs Airbus comments for good measure . Just a few more praises of how awesome the 757 is and it'll be complete.

You guys should work for Fox and CNN, no news here, just "opinionated fact".

buscappy 11-20-2016 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2246691)
...another thread digresses into 737 hate. A few Boeing vs Airbus comments for good measure . Just a few more praises of how awesome the 757 is and it'll be complete.

You guys should work for Fox and CNN, no news here, just "opinionated fact".

no opinions here

factually, the 737 guppy is fifty yr old tech
and a crappy crappy place to sit for hours as a pilot or as a passenger
facts, jack

webecheck 11-20-2016 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2246691)
...another thread digresses into 737 hate. A few Boeing vs Airbus comments for good measure . Just a few more praises of how awesome the 757 is and it'll be complete.

You guys should work for Fox and CNN, no news here, just "opinionated fact".

You should know by now APC is the place to go when you need more negativity in your life. :cool:

Knotcher 11-20-2016 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by buscappy (Post 2246911)
no opinions here

factually, the 737 guppy is fifty yr old tech
and a crappy crappy place to sit for hours as a pilot or as a passenger
facts, jack

1) 737 and 757 have same exact fuselage diameter
2) 737 saves $2,000,000 per year over 757


Have a good one..

SpecialTracking 11-20-2016 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 2246957)
1) 737 and 757 have same exact fuselage diameter
2) 737 saves $2,000,000 per year over 757


Have a good one..

Dude, don't you know it's all in the length?

Firsttimeflyer 11-20-2016 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 2246957)
1) 737 and 757 have same exact fuselage diameter
2) 737 saves $2,000,000 per year over 757


Have a good one..

Does that account for all the tail strikes, split scimitar winglet damage, lost revenue during weight restrictions etc. while all these are rare, they need to be accounted for as it affects the bottom line.


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