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Old 01-11-2017, 09:04 AM   #1
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Default 747 Retired early

Scott Kirby announced it on Flying Together.

Is he personally behind this decision as well as canceling all the 737-700's??
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:06 AM   #2
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Scott Kirby announced it on Flying Together.

Is he personally behind this decision as well as canceling all the 737-700's??
Im pretty sure yes!
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:34 AM   #3
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A380 commeth!
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Aren't these the UAL widebody deliveries for 2017?

777 - 14
787 - 4

So, a slight decrease in ASMs but bigley improvements in reliably. Capacity reductions abroad in the face of a more expensive dollar will help yield.

it was fun while it lasted
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So does this make the 350 more or less likely?
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So does this make the 350 more or less likely?

Only Kirby knows, but I would guess less likely.

Since we would be lucky to have our first A350-1000 out flying operationally by the summer of 2018, I think this is a sign that we have decided to go in a different direction.

I think we will have several more 777-300 orders announced as part of next week's Board meeting/Earnings call. The production slot availability on the 777s would allow us to get as many as we want/need before the summer of 2018 when you would need to be back up to "full strength" on the widebody fleet.
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Aren't these the UAL widebody deliveries for 2017?

777 - 14
787 - 4

So, a slight decrease in ASMs but bigley improvements in reliably. Capacity reductions abroad in the face of a more expensive dollar will help yield.

it was fun while it lasted
Reliability? Remember, UAL decided to stop maintaining the 400's when they announced the retirements for 2018. Whenever that happens, the reliability plummets. Not the aircraft's fault. Cheap management decides what kind of reliability they want to pay for. Just hope it doesn't bit us in the form of an incident or accident.

Reliability is directly proportional to how much money you spend on future maintenance and parts, so drawing this conclusion is a false assumption and directly attributable to flt ops decisions on spending.
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So does this make the 350 more or less likely?
I would say, no impact. The A350's we are supposed to get aren't until the end of 2018. The A350-1000 has only just entered flight test.

However, I would say that the chances of the rumor of additional 300ER's is pretty good. My guess is that the extra 300ER's could be on the property well before the projected A350-1000's.

And....as a further extension to my crystal ball, if we order more 777-300ER's, the more we order, the less likely the A350's, and the more likely a follow on order for 777X's.

So much for the possibility of back fills on the 400 from this current bid.
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Aren't these the UAL widebody deliveries for 2017?

777 - 14
787 - 4

So, a slight decrease in ASMs but bigley improvements in reliably. Capacity reductions abroad in the face of a more expensive dollar will help yield.

it was fun while it lasted
We can get as many 777-300ERs as we need this year the production slots are wide open. If they do not announce a new 777 order at the year end conference then we can doom and gloom.
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Yeah it is prob management's fault (yes CAL management) but at end of the day realty is still 400 Mx woes are a massive problem on premo int routes. As a non rev, I avoid it unless absolutely forced to take one even to the point of buying zed business tickets. Been burned too many times.
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