Investor call and fleet speculation
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Couldn't get them to work on my Ipad. Work fine on my Windows desktop.
When asked about the fleet reviews, SK said he couldn't comment on specifics since we were in talks with BA and AB about "widebodies". But he did say the biggest open question was what to do about the 767 fleet.
When asked about the fleet reviews, SK said he couldn't comment on specifics since we were in talks with BA and AB about "widebodies". But he did say the biggest open question was what to do about the 767 fleet.
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I suppose so, if we are determined to buy new aircraft very soon. However, mgmt keeps saying we are actively looking at the used aircraft market. LATAM and Hawaiian are two carriers I know of who are currently withdrawing their 767 fleets, which are younger than our oldest -300s. Buying a handful of used aircraft might allow us to retire/part out our oldest birds and buy time for a clean sheet MOM down the road.
What I thought was really interesting was what wasn't said. He didn't say anything about the future of the 757 (so maybe it has already been decided). He didn't say we were in talks on narrowbodies or a NSNB either.
I don't have any special insight into our fleet plans, I just enjoy reading the tea leaves and seeing what comes to pass.
What I thought was really interesting was what wasn't said. He didn't say anything about the future of the 757 (so maybe it has already been decided). He didn't say we were in talks on narrowbodies or a NSNB either.
I don't have any special insight into our fleet plans, I just enjoy reading the tea leaves and seeing what comes to pass.
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Short term memory can be problems. You may have forgotten, the 787 is a direct replacement for the 767. Same seating capacity, but more range. The age of the 767's isn't really the question. The driving factor is how long do you want to keep paying for a higher seat mile cost? And....the seat mile cost of a paid for airplane, with cheap fuel isn't all that different than a brand new 787. So, at least for the time being, I'd say we will continue to keep the 767's. Just like Delta, hmmm.....![Wink](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
If you really wanted to, I bet Boeing would sell you a bunch of new 767's. Still building them. I'll bet you could even get the new 787 style glass that the KC-46 and FedEx planes are going to have. In fact Boeing is increasing the production rate because of these orders. The plane hasn't had this much of a backlog in decades.
So, no, the A330 is not the only option.
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If you really wanted to, I bet Boeing would sell you a bunch of new 767's. Still building them. I'll bet you could even get the new 787 style glass that the KC-46 and FedEx planes are going to have. In fact Boeing is increasing the production rate because of these orders. The plane hasn't had this much of a backlog in decades.
So, no, the A330 is not the only option.
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[QUOTE=Dave Fitzgerald;2286270]Short term memory can be problems. You may have forgotten, the 787 is a direct replacement for the 767. Same seating capacity, but more range.
Not really
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
787-8 seating 242 max 359 range 7,355
787-9 seating 290 max 401 range 7,635
787-10 seating 298 max 440range 6,430
Cabin width 18'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767
767-400 seating 296 max 375 range 5,625
Cabin width 15.5'
The -200 and -300 not even worthwhile comparing
Let's be true about the facts, the 787 was never a 767 replacement.
UAL was the kickoff customer for the 767 in 1981 and it was meant to be a coast to coast jet. Dick Ferris used to advertise the airplane would change how people flew.
Not really
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
787-8 seating 242 max 359 range 7,355
787-9 seating 290 max 401 range 7,635
787-10 seating 298 max 440range 6,430
Cabin width 18'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767
767-400 seating 296 max 375 range 5,625
Cabin width 15.5'
The -200 and -300 not even worthwhile comparing
Let's be true about the facts, the 787 was never a 767 replacement.
UAL was the kickoff customer for the 767 in 1981 and it was meant to be a coast to coast jet. Dick Ferris used to advertise the airplane would change how people flew.
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I believe that term is "alternate facts"
Short term memory can be problems. You may have forgotten, the 787 is a direct replacement for the 767. Same seating capacity, but more range.
Not really
Let's be true about the facts, the 787 was never a 767 replacement.
UAL was the kickoff customer for the 767 in 1981 and it was meant to be a coast to coast jet. Dick Ferris used to advertise the airplane would change how people flew.
Not really
Let's be true about the facts, the 787 was never a 767 replacement.
UAL was the kickoff customer for the 767 in 1981 and it was meant to be a coast to coast jet. Dick Ferris used to advertise the airplane would change how people flew.
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