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#221
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
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It is kinda nuts that in this day and age, we're flying around aircraft that don't have some sort of standard internal hot mic for comm.
Between aircraft that have very loud internal cockpit noise, and either low talkers or hard of hearing pilots.. I'm still amazed that that FAA, the Union and the company haven't stepped in.
Then again, we have a fleet of 4 types that have different audio control panels and hell, even 2 different types of clocks?!
What year is it again?!
Motch
Between aircraft that have very loud internal cockpit noise, and either low talkers or hard of hearing pilots.. I'm still amazed that that FAA, the Union and the company haven't stepped in.
Then again, we have a fleet of 4 types that have different audio control panels and hell, even 2 different types of clocks?!
What year is it again?!
Motch
#222
#223
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 166
It is kinda nuts that in this day and age, we're flying around aircraft that don't have some sort of standard internal hot mic for comm.
Between aircraft that have very loud internal cockpit noise, and either low talkers or hard of hearing pilots.. I'm still amazed that that FAA, the Union and the company haven't stepped in.
Then again, we have a fleet of 4 types that have different audio control panels and hell, even 2 different types of clocks?!
What year is it again?!
Motch
Between aircraft that have very loud internal cockpit noise, and either low talkers or hard of hearing pilots.. I'm still amazed that that FAA, the Union and the company haven't stepped in.
Then again, we have a fleet of 4 types that have different audio control panels and hell, even 2 different types of clocks?!
What year is it again?!
Motch
#224
Especially when a company like JetBlue has noise cancelling Sennheiser headsets in their E190's and Telex in their Airbus for pilots to use. Seems like the union could step in and claim this is a safety issue. I was dumbfounded when I came here and was told you had to purchase your own headset or use the non noise cancelling ear dick.
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CA...communication was degraded between us due to a loud cockpit and mixed headset use (I was using an ANR headset and the FO (First Officer) was using [an ear plug style headset] with the left plug out of his ear so he could hear me). As it turns out, this is not a good CRM setup and communication was compromised between us. I didn't realized the FO was struggling to hear me throughout the flight until we discussed it on the ground.
FO...At that point I heard the CA say something about the gear but to be honest I was having a difficult time hearing him. He was wearing an ANR headset and talking a little soft. I struggled with it the whole flight but he did not know it because I failed to tell him. That was a CRM breakdown on my part.
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Additional factor is the cockpit noise that prevents crew members from communicating effectively. The use of an intercom system (locking Push-to-talk switch or rubber band to hold down the switch or just have crew members push the intercom switch when talking) would have reduced any confusion as to what was being said/communicated. Crew members have to SHOUT to be heard because they wear ANR (Active Noise Reduction) headsets on one ear and try and communicate over the cockpit noise without use of the airplanes intercom system.
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Two things about this incident; the cockpit of this aircraft was very loud. Both of us have approved ANR headsets and may just not have heard the chimes. Or the system was malfunctioning.
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I have suggested equipping all of the affected aircraft with noise cancelling headsets and always dispatching these flights with a Relief Pilot to help mitigate the effects of noise and resulting fatigue. I was informed that this was not possible due to "manning issues." It appears that economics takes precedence over safety regarding this potentially serious issue. The fleet manager informed the pilot group over 1 year ago that this issue would be addressed and that a fix was imminent. That has not yet occurred and it is understandable that logistics may impede this process. Nonetheless, amelioration of the effects of the noise and fatigue should be addressed in the interim. Active noise reduction (ANR) headsets and the scheduling of a Relief Pilot on all ETOPS flights would be a proactive approach to safety while the aircraft are being modified.
Last edited by APC225; 04-20-2019 at 06:25 PM.
#225
The Ear dicks we use on the Airbus are a total joke ....
Def would be nice to all have better headsets and use the hot-mike till a higher altitude.
Our old airbuses are much louder than most .
Def would be nice to all have better headsets and use the hot-mike till a higher altitude.
Our old airbuses are much louder than most .
#227
756 EWR 71% DCA 79% SFO 42% LAX 48% IAH 100. ORD 100. DEN 100.
737 EWR 49% DCA 45% SFO 31% LAX 46% IAH 78% ORD 76% DEN 71%
320 EWR 36% DCA 69% SFO 27% LAX 60% IAH 78% ORD 76% DEN 88%
777 . . SFO 99% . . .
#228
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 907
I'm at 3.4 years on property. Today the Vacancy Bidding screen says: (FO)
756 EWR 71% DCA 79% SFO 42% LAX 48% IAH 100. ORD 100. DEN 100.
737 EWR 49% DCA 45% SFO 31% LAX 46% IAH 78% ORD 76% DEN 71%
320 EWR 36% DCA 69% SFO 27% LAX 60% IAH 78% ORD 76% DEN 88%
777 . . SFO 99% . . .
756 EWR 71% DCA 79% SFO 42% LAX 48% IAH 100. ORD 100. DEN 100.
737 EWR 49% DCA 45% SFO 31% LAX 46% IAH 78% ORD 76% DEN 71%
320 EWR 36% DCA 69% SFO 27% LAX 60% IAH 78% ORD 76% DEN 88%
777 . . SFO 99% . . .
#229
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,128
Remember, those numbers are based on the Minimum Staffing number shown in the MIN-MAX bulletin right now. Take a look again late today (after the first Snapshot) and I believe they will adjust to the actual number based on the snapshot. Right now, any number you are looking at for a BES that doesn't have a vacancy advertised is skewed dramatically by the fact that they have intentionally listed the minimums in those BES at an extremely low number so they don't drive any backfills. They are specifically targeting the exact training slots they want to fill for the summer and trying to avoid any other training requirements
We'll see how this strategy works out for the company. We could end up with quite a few BESs that are undermanned this summer.
#230
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Position: B756 FO
Posts: 1,288
Remember, those numbers are based on the Minimum Staffing number shown in the MIN-MAX bulletin right now. Take a look again late today (after the first Snapshot) and I believe they will adjust to the actual number based on the snapshot. Right now, any number you are looking at for a BES that doesn't have a vacancy advertised is skewed dramatically by the fact that they have intentionally listed the minimums in those BES at an extremely low number so they don't drive any backfills. They are specifically targeting the exact training slots they want to fill for the summer and trying to avoid any other training requirements
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