Panties in a bunch much? He said the new United. Doesn't mean CAL sucks unless you want it to which you clearly do.

Sorry the system didn't work. It got as far as agents had closed the main cabin door and the f/a's had armed doors. That's too far!

She should have never been allowed to board that aircraft.

+1

My guess that she will never sit in the seat again. It's sad but most likely the reality she is facing. Reflecting on previous precedent at LUA I would guess they company will buy out the rest of her career at book rates and call it a day.

Pest

My guess is this incident and the media coverage it got will drive more companies to do the Delta shrink deal prior to hiring or tighten the Hogan parameters or both. If we have a German Wings type incident here in the US prepare for all hell to brake loose. I remember 20 years ago the interview question most asked was "what would you do if your captain showed up drunk?" Now it will be "what will you do if your captain goes bat **** crazy." Next question I have is who clears the FA's who come sit in the cockpit when one of the pilots goes to ****. What's going on in their lives. They stand or sit behind the remaining pilot in the cockpit.

Based on what?

From what I've read, at the point she boarded the flight all that was known was that she had gotten confused about the van and report times and, once realized, rushed to the airport in the clothes that she was wearing.

My glass house is crystal clear....obviously yours is rose colored.

I wasn't making a statement about what will happen it was my own opinion. I feel very bad for her on a personal level but professionally I have zero sympathy. Given Germanwings I don't want her near an airplane ever again.

One of the things that few admit to but most think of is that we do have pilots on occasion that alpa should not protect. Nothing personal but reality. I also am of the understanding that once a pilot sets foot on airport or company property the EAP and or HIMS option is no longer applicable. Did she select the FFD?

btw I only needed to watch the video to presume anything. Her own actions and behavior are pretty damning

You have no clue about mental illness. And I hope you never find out.

None of us take joy in seeing a professional peer embarrass and hang themselves and their careers in front of pax and fellow crew members. It's unfortunate and not a fun trainwreck to watch. So what if some of us don't have a clue about mental illness? Are you saying that she just needs a little rehab and should be allowed back in the cockpit?

Um......no. We're not electricians or chefs or even teachers that can go off the deep end and after some work with the shrink slip right back to our job. Doesn't work that way in this line of work. Nor should it.

I'm not saying that at all. But you people that think a person with mental illness can check themselves with the FFD box in the ipad have no clue what its all about that is all.

Until you have been point person to have to get someone like this help, quit trying to apply your clear and rational thinking to the situation.

That is what I am saying.

I have more of a clue, knowledge and insight than you assume. And further so what about it? The safety aspect alone demands more of our profession and for the company. I don't think a slap on the wrist or a couple of sessions with the shrink is going to fix some very deep emotional problems here. Not even going to speculate on the liability issues that would follow.

I only mentioned the FFD box as a point of fact that will be used and looked at. You're delusional if you think the lawyers won't pounce on that alone.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I don't want her near an airplane ever again but I sincerely hope she gets the help she needs.

The last thing we need is another Germanwings.

This.

She's unlikely to pass another FAA medical. https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets...m?newsId=20455

"Certain medical conditions such as a psychosis, bipolar disorder and severe personality disorder automatically disqualify a pilot from obtaining an FAA medical certificate and prohibit them from flying."


Even if she was able to get an FAA medical, the insurance and PR issues would likely be too great to allow her to operate another commercial aircraft.

You sure don't sound like you have a clue.
I have never said or alluded an opinion on whether or not she should be back in the cockpit again. Nice deflection.

I just calling BS on your blowhards pumping your chests about what she did on the video and trying to apply rational thinking to it.

And I call BS to you snowflakes minimizing the severity of the incident and the potential ramifications. There is no other choice to apply rational thinking to her actions. Maybe you're just to dense to grasp that simple fact?

Nice try Brainsurgeon... lmao

I figured it was to deep for you and I should've dumbed it down some more.

While it was a fast moving situation, it ended pretty darned quickly. I'm sure that plane wouldn't have moved an inch; if you look at the video, there's an FA on the flight deck so both the FAs and FO were not going to let the plane move.

I don't claim to know jacksquat about mental illness but I know it would be a PR nightmare if she were to fly for a commercial carrier in the future. Not going to happen. Just like the JetBlue pilot.

Actually it was my posts that went right over your head.:cool:

Have a nice day.

Incorrect.

Thank you for the correction I didn't know that. Does that also apply to alcohol related incidents?

I am of the same opinion. Sad situation.

Speaking of public perception:

Y'all know this is a public forum, right? And anybody who has an internet connection can read this thread and witness how "professional" you are in your conversation and personal interaction, right?

I've seen the video and read the article, and for the life of me I cannot find factual information that tells me about the conversation between the Captain and the gate agent before the Captain boarded the airplane. I don't know what the gate agent said, or what the gate agent asked, or how the Captain answered, or how she explained her casual attire. I don't know why she showed up late, or how she explained it to anyone before she got on the airplane. I don't know if anybody else knew or had any reason to know about the stresses in her personal life prior to her intercom announcement.

There have been an awful lot of assumptions made about all that in this thread, and I think any one of us in her situation would not appreciate the assumptions and without doubt misinformation that has been created.


What I do know for sure is that the video concludes with the PA announcement, "Flight attendants please DISARM doors, flight attendants DISARM doors, crosscheck, standby for ALL CALL."

The system worked. Pilots are human, too. How would you want to be treated if it was you?






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Brainsurgeon

Most pilots are caught after blowing into the machine , therefore they are at work, and at that point the statement comes out that they have a problem or their ALPA rep tells them to make that statement when they are called.

Please don't post things you don't know about

Yes it does apply, so it is never too late to help save someone's career, and even their life. Obviously, the earlier they are intercepted, the less difficult it will be. This is one area where unions, management, and the FAA are in general agreement.

If it is determined that she is in need of help because she has depression, adjustment disorder or something similar she can utilize the services of the EAP program to get help.

If it is depression that she is battling there are four SSRI's that would allow a pilot to regain their first class medical but it will be a long long long long road. The pilot in question will meet with the EAP, then their AME. Next stop is an aviation psychiatrist, then likely a clinical psychiatrist. The clinical psychiatrist is the one that can prescribe medication if they believe it is needed.

That individual will then spend lots of time talking to a counselor. Once they have shown that they are stable on a set dose of an SSRI for a minimum of 6 months they can begin the process of getting their medical back. Their counselor, clinical psychiatrist, aviation psychiatrist must recommend to the AME that they are ready to start the process. Next comes a cognitive screening test and if necessary further psychiatric review. If all of that comes back good they will will get a standard FAA Medical examination that will allow a HIMS AME to sponsor the pilot to the FAA to get their medical back. Their entire medical file is sent to Oak City for review. From there it is forwarded to Washington, DC for the final 5 levels of review.

If granted a special issuance they will have regimented follow ups with everyone from the UAL EAP, their chief pilot, psychiatrist and AME.

All told, if they choose to come back on an SSRI they will lose about 12 to 18 months before they will be flight deck qualified again.

Slats is saying 1 thing and it's what I said earlier. You don't just wake up and say well damn iv lost my mind so let's not go to work today. If it's a true mental break there is no longer conscious decision making.

So whether or not the FFD box gets checked really doesn't mean anything as there is no longer an ability to self assess.

Did the phrase "it is my understanding" not make it clear to you that it was something I was not sure of? Quite different from something of more definitive type statement.

And no the examples of pilots getting caught that I know of and are public knowledge lately they were caught (suspected) long before the machine which only verified the suspicion. Define caught.

Please don't post things you don't know about.

I'm not disputing that whatsoever nor did I infer that. I did emphasize it will probably be something that the lawyers will bring up. Nothing more nothing less.

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This. + 1,000,000. Excellent excellent post.

At last, a rational post about a truly sad incident of one of our own in a crisis meltdown. I have no clue why the pilot showed up without the proper uniform but it does say something about her mental state.
Give it a rest please.

I have seen the video and it is an unfortunate situation that she showed up to work in that condition. Most pilots would know if they are not in the state of mind to fly when faced with a bad event that occurred in their personal life.. What concerns me about her, is that she choose to come to work in a very bad state of mind. I also think this event will be the straw that broke the camels back, and all pilots will be required to pass a psych evaluation in the near future.

Yes it does.

Simply unbelievable. How about pat downs in front of the passengers for weapons and a breathalyzer test for added emphasis before every flight?

Here's a novel idea. Allow the union earn it's 1.95% and everyone keep their fingers away from the keyboard. If it's wise advice for the Orange Man on 1600 Pennsylvania, it's just gotta be for Mensa candidates like us.

This, and thank you for it.

Did the astronaut diaper pilot get her wings back? Did the mentally unhinged JetBlue pilot who the undoubtedly terrified FO had to lock out of the cockpit get his?

I hope not. I truly hope all of these people get treatment and find peace, but who could argue that someone whose sanity depends on them properly taking their meds that day should be in command of anyone's life, let alone hundreds of lives? They shouldn't be allowed to be doctors, they shouldn't be allowed to be judges, and they should not be allowed to be airline pilots.

I know this isn't politically correct, but not EVERYONE should ALWAYS be allowed to do EVERYTHING.

To unquestionably think otherwise is, in a word, insane.

+1.

I've found the discussion on this incident to be rather tame for pilots; not sure why some are so sensitive on the topic.

If anything, this is a big reason to have LTD insurance.

They have a choice! LTD or TK. The best of the best end up as instructors.

What?

You've got to have a first class medical and maintain flying status to be an instructor. The friends of Fred, no medical, over age 65 crowd is long gone.

You could be an FTI without a medical. But it pays less than most pilots would make on LTD.