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DaBest 02-13-2017 11:15 AM

Public perception
 
Dear coworkers;
If you have a domestic problem, life changing event, can not handle the current political situation ;), or any other issues that may affect your professional performance or ability to perform your duties; please don't show up for duty. It's your responsibility to self evaluate and make sure you are at 100% fit for duty. Public perception is extremely sensitive, especially in our position of responsibilities.
Enough is enough! Please No More weirdo, or your medical will require psych evaluation.

In my honest opinion we should have at least once every 5 years psych interview to weed out some individuals out of the ranks of professional aviation.:D

oldmako 02-13-2017 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by DaBest (Post 2300815)
....In my honest opinion we should have at least once every 5 years psych interview to weed out some individuals out of the ranks of professional aviation.:D



In my honest opinion, we should not. For the same reason that one should never volunteer for drug or alcohol screening outside of required tests.

She may have had 15-20 years of flawless service. Now a life event has upended her. If her "test" was two months ago, she may have been fine. What't the point? And have you seen some of the guys who have already passed a psych eval in order to defend the cockpit?

Say this is implemented and everyone tests fine. How do they deal with that? Someone comes up with a statistical number and next check they use that number to bounce X amount of guys out of their career. No thanks. This reminds me of a former FAA examiner who felt that X amount of guys "should" fail their check-rides just "because." He puts that pressure on Check Airmen and sooner or later guys start busting a check ride for some trivial oversight or temporary and arbitrary exceedance. Foxtrot that mentality. This job is already tough enough to get and keep. We don't need more hoops to jump through on the path to retirement.

cni187 02-13-2017 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by DaBest (Post 2300815)
Dear coworkers;
If you have a domestic problem, life changing event, can not handle the current political situation ;), or any other issues that may affect your professional performance or ability to perform your duties; please don't show up for duty. It's your responsibility to self evaluate and make sure you are at 100% fit for duty. Public perception is extremely sensitive, especially in our position of responsibilities.
Enough is enough! Please No More weirdo, or your medical will require psych evaluation.

In my honest opinion we should have at least once every 5 years psych interview to weed out some individuals out of the ranks of professional aviation.:D

I thought they only worked at Delta. Whew! I'm relieved.

JoePatroni 02-13-2017 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2300875)
In my honest opinion, we should not. For the same reason that one should never volunteer for drug or alcohol screening outside of required tests.

She may have had 15-20 years of flawless service. Now a life event has upended her. If her "test" was two months ago, she may have been fine. What't the point? And have you seen some of the guys who have already passed a psych eval in order to defend the cockpit?

Say this is implemented and everyone tests fine. How do they deal with that? Someone comes up with a statistical number and next check they use that number to bounce X amount of guys out of their career. No thanks. This reminds me of a former FAA examiner who felt that X amount of guys "should" fail their check-rides just "because." He puts that pressure on Check Airmen and sooner or later guys start busting a check ride for some trivial oversight or temporary and arbitrary exceedance. Foxtrot that mentality. This job is already tough enough to get and keep. We don't need more hoops to jump through on the path to retirement.

Agree 1000%.

pilotgolfer 02-13-2017 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by DaBest (Post 2300815)
Dear coworkers;
If you have a domestic problem, life changing event, can not handle the current political situation ;), or any other issues that may affect your professional performance or ability to perform your duties; please don't show up for duty. It's your responsibility to self evaluate and make sure you are at 100% fit for duty. Public perception is extremely sensitive, especially in our position of responsibilities.
Enough is enough! Please No More weirdo, or your medical will require psych evaluation.

In my honest opinion we should have at least once every 5 years psych interview to weed out some individuals out of the ranks of professional aviation.:D

Okay...you go first and let us know how it works out.

DaBest 02-13-2017 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2300875)
In my honest opinion, we should not. For the same reason that one should never volunteer for drug or alcohol screening outside of required tests.

She may have had 15-20 years of flawless service. Now a life event has upended her. If her "test" was two months ago, she may have been fine. What't the point? And have you seen some of the guys who have already passed a psych eval in order to defend the cockpit?

Say this is implemented and everyone tests fine. How do they deal with that? Someone comes up with a statistical number and next check they use that number to bounce X amount of guys out of their career. No thanks. This reminds me of a former FAA examiner who felt that X amount of guys "should" fail their check-rides just "because." He puts that pressure on Check Airmen and sooner or later guys start busting a check ride for some trivial oversight or temporary and arbitrary exceedance. Foxtrot that mentality. This job is already tough enough to get and keep. We don't need more hoops to jump through on the path to retirement.

I agree 100%; however, one more public outburst and it will be difficult to keep our medical out of reach of shrinks evaluations. UE is already drafting new regs for medical required psych evaluation.
All I'm asking is to keep your uniform clean, act professionally, and stay the flight away from PAs and public youtube reporters.

oldmako 02-13-2017 02:10 PM

I'll do that if you agree not to work in the flight office, or volunteer for union work that will put you near flight ops management.

;)

krudawg 02-13-2017 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by DaBest (Post 2300815)
Dear coworkers;
If you have a domestic problem, life changing event, can not handle the current political situation ;), or any other issues that may affect your professional performance or ability to perform your duties; please don't show up for duty. It's your responsibility to self evaluate and make sure you are at 100% fit for duty. Public perception is extremely sensitive, especially in our position of responsibilities.
Enough is enough! Please No More weirdo, or your medical will require psych evaluation.

In my honest opinion we should have at least once every 5 years psych interview to weed out some individuals out of the ranks of professional aviation.:D

How about we drop this subject. If you want everyone to see a shrink every 5 years and put your career in the hands of the likes who gave the German Wings pilot the "good to go" than why don't you set the example and go voluntarily; share your results with the rest of us.

I'm asking the Moderator to remove any posts that reference the Austin events in the last few days.

MasterOfPuppets 02-13-2017 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by DaBest (Post 2300815)
Dear coworkers;
If you have a domestic problem, life changing event, can not handle the current political situation ;), or any other issues that may affect your professional performance or ability to perform your duties; please don't show up for duty. It's your responsibility to self evaluate and make sure you are at 100% fit for duty. Public perception is extremely sensitive, especially in our position of responsibilities.
Enough is enough! Please No More weirdo, or your medical will require psych evaluation.

In my honest opinion we should have at least once every 5 years psych interview to weed out some individuals out of the ranks of professional aviation.:D

Funny thing about going crazy or having a mental break.....the person affected has no idea it's happening. You think the dude outside the Hilton in SFO talking to himself knows he's nuts? No, he thinks someone is talking back at him.

Something's you don't know are going to happen until they happen.

ShyGuy 02-13-2017 03:01 PM


And have you seen some of the guys who have already passed a psych eval in order to defend the cockpit?
What's this supposed to mean? What breakdowns have you seen with FFDOs?


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