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Ray Kinsella 03-30-2017 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE (Post 2332947)
Give me a break! I wouldn't bet on anything the "airline president" has to say. I'm not new here bud

It's not that surprising. Triples or A330s are on the horizon. Earnings release is last week of April. I guess we will find out then.

Precontact 03-30-2017 06:40 PM

Boeing has stated they will build a 777X Freighter - we have history of being a launch customer (757PF, 767PF). Who knows?

cougar 03-30-2017 09:48 PM

Boeing has yet to announce a 777X freighter variant. They are still approximately 5 years from delivering the 777X passenger version. Based on the volume required to keep production open on the 777 over that 5 year time-line, they are currently 200 orders short.
Recent history suggests that UPS has been offered competitive prices on new freighters to bridge a gap in production, the 27 767 orders (until KC-46) and now the 747-8F orders (Air Force One).
With the reduction in production and paucity of 777 orders, it isn't a huge leap to assume UPS may soon announce a 777 order. The 747-8 was announced within in a year of entry into service. This was only possible because of the common type and the infrastructure in place to train and crew the aircraft.
The 777 will have to be announced with an approximate timeline of 2 years before entry into service to allow for the training and development of the infrastructure to support it.
All this along with a very specific tell that appeared several weeks ago indicates a 777 order relatively soon is more likely than not.
All subject to change of course.

767pilot 03-31-2017 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Night_Hawk (Post 2332476)
So, how would you envision this to work? :confused:

I can't imagine them commercializing us back and forth between the cities.

There can't just be a "merger", it would be a displacement type domicile closure. The Miami domestic flying can easily be handled by sdf and before there was a Miami domicile the trips were covered by Z.

If you check into it a bit you'll see that we were just approved for 'single qualification' training. That means no more specific theater training required for South America. Sort of opens the door.

I was told that we would make a purchase of the JAL airframes on 4/24 with the earrings announcement on 4/28 so it came out a little early. Also heard a few weeks ago that 20 with only 3 picked out so far and an issue with conversion slots so that was pretty accurate.

Call them growth airframes or not, that's just semantics but ask yourself if all have to hire more pilots to fly them. I think that the answer is yes.

Something else is coming down the line. Stay tuned.

Precontact 03-31-2017 05:39 AM

You're correct, that haven't officially launched the 777X freighter and your analysis for helping to bridge the gap to it would allow UPS to get 777s for a good price...we shall see.
Quote:

Originally Posted by cougar (Post 2333247)
Boeing has yet to announce a 777X freighter variant. They are still approximately 5 years from delivering the 777X passenger version. Based on the volume required to keep production open on the 777 over that 5 year time-line, they are currently 200 orders short.
Recent history suggests that UPS has been offered competitive prices on new freighters to bridge a gap in production, the 27 767 orders (until KC-46) and now the 747-8F orders (Air Force One).
With the reduction in production and paucity of 777 orders, it isn't a huge leap to assume UPS may soon announce a 777 order. The 747-8 was announced within in a year of entry into service. This was only possible because of the common type and the infrastructure in place to train and crew the aircraft.
The 777 will have to be announced with an approximate timeline of 2 years before entry into service to allow for the training and development of the infrastructure to support it.
All this along with a very specific tell that appeared several weeks ago indicates a 777 order relatively soon is more likely than not.
All subject to change of course.


Omnipotent 03-31-2017 12:24 PM

NOT photoshopped. Taken today at RJTT.

http://freighter.flyteam.jp/photo/2162376/960x960.jpg

FAA REGISTRY

N363UP is Assigned

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 33494 Status Valid
Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date 03/30/2017
Model 767-300 Expiration Date 03/31/2020
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-fan
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) 51014501
MFR Year None Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) A41941
Type Registration Corporation Fractional Owner NO
Registered Owner
Name UNITED PARCEL SERVICE CO
Street ATTN: QUALITY ASSURANCE MANAGER
1400 N HURSTBOURNE PKWY
City LOUISVILLE State KENTUCKY
County JEFFERSON Zip Code 40223-4015
Country UNITED STATES
Boeing 767-346/ER - Japan Airlines - JAL | Aviation Photo #4256581 | Airliners.net

Precontact 03-31-2017 12:37 PM

N362UP should be the next one up in the order but great to see another 767 coming.

UPSFO4LIFE 03-31-2017 03:11 PM

Awesome! It will fit right in with the rest of our dirty airplanes!!:D

Swedish Blender 03-31-2017 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE (Post 2333756)
Awesome! It will fit right in with the rest of our dirty airplanes!!:D

I enjoy flying the Millennium Falcon. Still trying to break the 12 parsec run though.

Omnipotent 03-31-2017 06:57 PM

MSN 33493 will become N362UP

MSN 33845 will become N364UP


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