Swedish Blender

Some have floated paying OT above guarantee or at 150%. That only benefits those who pick up trips not the entire group. Those of us who don't fly OT or JAs would gain nothing. It should benefit the entire group.

BoilerUP

What kind of "gain" do you think would "benefit the entire group" AND motivate more people to pick up OT/JA...especially "those of us who don't fly OT or JA"?

whalesurfer

I guess I'm not sure what the discussion is really about?
IF the company and the union decide on some kind of LOA where they pay 150% for picking up OT trips it'd benefit IPA as a group because everyone CAN pick up OT if they want to.

I cherish my off time but if someone decides to work extra why would that be detrimental to me? Would you rather see an IPA brother or sister fly the goods or for it to be flown by a supply-chain-solutions pilot who probably lives in the parking lot of Guangzhou airport?

Sure, a pay raise for all would be fantastic but personally I'd prefer more vacation, we all have different preferences. This is just such an example.

I view every improvement that's AVAILABLE to IPA membership as an improvement for the entire group. If I'm wrong please educate me. I'm truly surprised by nightrider's reply to RB...

Swedish Blender

The more OT/JAs that are picked up theoretically could reduce hiring numbers. The company needs X bodies to cover Y flying. If 5 pilots pick up 15 hours each, that would be equal to a line.

As far as SCS flying, if you believe LP, most of it is actually on brown tails.

BoilerUp,
Since the CP hotline said the flying would be incorporated into the 05 bid pack, how about anything above 80 hours would be paid at 150% OT or not. That way, when the company jams the lines, the pilots who don't want to fly extra get paid for the forced OT and the ones who chose to pick up, also get paid.

Tanker-driver

I currently don't pick up OT/JA. The pot just isn't sweet enough. Start paying all OT above guarantee and at 150% and JAs at 200% and suddenly it becomes worth it. I get that we want to be staffed properly but incentives for picking up OT would certainly not be something unique to UPS. With the way the industry is going, I have my doubts as to whether we'll ever be correctly staffed. Might as well codify some benefits from the situation.

navigatro

It is cheaper for the company to pay overtime (up to 150% or so) rather than hire more. We are on one of the few companies that does not offer premium for picking up overtime.

I would like to see all OT paid, regardless of line credit, then 150% above 75, then 200% above 85 (or JA.)

CactusCrew

This banter is fine, but remember that there is already a contractual provision to pay all open time above guarantee. They CHOSE not to invoke this language that FFTF pointed out earlier ...

They chose to ignore a valid CBA section that would benefit some of the low-time line holders and might alleviate some of the staffing short-comings.

They chose to come directly to the pilots.

They probably chose to ignore the warnings from our EB about the impending manpower shortage.

nightrider

My point is simple, if you start cutting deals with the opentime *****s, who by the way don't need any extra motivation, we will stay at the same understaffed, ****ty condition we have been in for the almost 2 decades that I have been here. Stay home on your days off and they will increase staffing and have many more upgrades. If you do the extra work then they will staff much lower and many more will stay fo's for much longer! Sometimes we are our own worst enemies. Remember this they won't use increased opentime pickup to cover the shortage, they will try to count on it and completely quit hiring and run us understaffed again, counting on the pilots to cover the slack, just stay home and see what happens.

UPSFO4LIFE

Nice theory, but it will never happen here or any other business. It's just how most businesses are run. Police, fire, manufacturing, all rely on employees to pick up overtime. Hell, we can't even get guys to stop picking up trips while a furlough is going on. Don't kid yourself that guys will "stay home" so that UPS may or may not hire more pilots. I personally don't pick up opentime, as I enjoy my time away from UPS, but I also don't think those that do are hurting us in any way. Just my opinion.

CactusCrew

I don't pick up either.

Individually it doesn't necessarily hurt us. But the practice does hurt us as a union, especially in negotiations (which is nearly all the time). Its hard to ask for more, when the company can prove we are satisfied with what is currently in the CBA.