767pilot

Not so much NURPS as Turks. Don't strain yourself getting to figure out that acronym, it went to MNG, a Turkish carrier.

You are right about the history. First was the "troubles" in Israel followed by the company rescheduling the layover for IST, only to have that hotel hijacked by terrorists.

The political climate is better now in Israel, worse in turkey.

Commando

Yes. You get about $150 bucks. That is why I put in the 600/300 hour in the original thread.

All Captains get 600 hours X $300\number of Total Captains. Each Bid period. That is the penalty.

notadog

Yes. And instead of requiring those members to act like professionals and fly the trip they bid, the IPA rolled over and permitted the company a massive Scope violation.

It set a precedent that will someday bite us hard.

767pilot

How was the union supposed to make it's members do anything, particularly when it involved staying out of harms way?

In the end, I think that the crewmembers were satisfied with changing the layover to IST from tlv, but having one of its crew members marched to the hotel ballroom at the end of an ak47 with the other guests by terrorists while the other hid under his bed was kind of the last straw.

We didn't just roll over and I like the deal that the IPA made out of a bad situation. In exchange for allowing subcontracting on that specific route, we got a rule that said the managers could not pick up open time for proficiency flying, they could only displace. We probably saved more block hours for the group with that than we lost by giving up that route.

Now that we are getting the route back, I'm surprised that we got to keep the displacement language. People bidding international should know what the extra risks that they are accepting, but I don't see the precedent that was set the same way you do.

CactusCrew

For awhile I thought UPS security, Crew Logistics, Crew Scheduling, and Crew Logistics had our back. Their job should be to protect crewmembers from harm and make our life easier and safer on the job. I was wrong.

That's not what these departments are set up to do. Just another cost center.

What a surprise

Ray Kinsella

There is a single line of defense at UPS. It is the IPA pilot alone. Nobody else cares about safety and they will sacrifice your safety to move packages or to appease their higher ups. In my experience they don't even pretend to care about safety and will tell you that.

If something doesn't feel right, set the brake or go around. It's all on us.

CactusCrew

Didn't really say that for someone that has been here awhile. Real new hires trust the company UPS, more than the union IPA. Just the way it is.

FTFF

They do pretend and to great effect: the posters, the honking, the f'in luggage monster. There is even some laminated score of children's music outside the ACP'S office in the ASC about how awesome safety is. That's what they think safety is, the spectacle of the concept. And then the show: "Sure, you're fatigued and can't operate SDF to wherever and back tonight. No problemo, we'll take you off of it"....and then put a manager on it who has worked in a cubicle all day. The safe outcome: IPA negotiates duty limits in next contract preventing said pairing. I wouldn't say they are blatantly unsafe but they could be doing a lot better.

I think newhires are caught off guard a little bit at first with a, "Oh, this is weird how they do things," sentiment. Everyine seems to figure it out pretty quickly.

Commando

I guess my prediction is sadly coming true. Was wondering why no information was coming out from anyone. Typical UPS. I don't believe for a second they tried to secure a slot. Spend the $ and you can get a slot. And stop using MNG immediately! And I'm sure our state department can get u one. LIES........

NO WAIVERS, NO FAVORS

Seatwarmer

No favors, no waivers! I'm not sure what guys would do either of these at anytime. The management here can't be trusted.