2018 UPS hiring
10-09-2017, 03:58 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by deliveryman
...looking forward to more useful hiring info!
10-09-2017, 06:25 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by FTFF
Right. Gents, let's keep the comments relevant so these guys don't have to read through thousands of pages of crap just to get the latest info on hiring.
Consider it a test to filter out the weak 
Back to the basics of 2018 hiring ... the company has indicated that 2018 levels will be comparable to 2017. Anything else is conjecture and "educated guesses" from the masses.
10-09-2017, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
Why should this forum be any different than finding relevant/pertinent info on our company EFKs and websites ? Consider it a test to filter out the weak
Back to the basics of 2018 hiring ... the company has indicated that 2018 levels will be comparable to 2017. Anything else is conjecture and "educated guesses" from the masses.
Consider it a test to filter out the weak Back to the basics of 2018 hiring ... the company has indicated that 2018 levels will be comparable to 2017. Anything else is conjecture and "educated guesses" from the masses.
10-11-2017, 07:49 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by FTFF
Right. Gents, let's keep the comments relevant so these guys don't have to read through thousands of pages of crap just to get the latest info on hiring.
In all seriousness - if you're interested in coming here, or any other major airline - learn to deal with and to filter through "crap" because that's life. Here and elsewhere.
Frankly, they should be reading it all because knowing the good, the bad and the ugly is how we keep our pilot force strong and united. We don't need a "I'll pretty much do anything and I'll do it for less" mindset. You get my point. There's a different application for that.
Sincerely wish the best to all the wannabies. There's lots of good info here.
10-18-2017, 01:47 PM
#25
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New hire equipment and commuting from OKC
A few more questions. Thanks in advance!
1. How are aircraft/base assignments worked for new hires? DOB/SSN? Are all the aircraft and bases available to new hires? (I was told FedEx hand-picks pilots for the MD who have specific flying experience.)
2. How is commuting life at UPS and does anyone out there commute from Oklahoma and have words on company/off-line flights from OKC/TUL? Does UPS utilize deadheads as much as FedEx?
3. Any thoughts on which aircraft/base would offer better schedule flexibility or be better for a commuter?
Thanks again
1. How are aircraft/base assignments worked for new hires? DOB/SSN? Are all the aircraft and bases available to new hires? (I was told FedEx hand-picks pilots for the MD who have specific flying experience.)
2. How is commuting life at UPS and does anyone out there commute from Oklahoma and have words on company/off-line flights from OKC/TUL? Does UPS utilize deadheads as much as FedEx?
3. Any thoughts on which aircraft/base would offer better schedule flexibility or be better for a commuter?
Thanks again
10-18-2017, 02:38 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by ViperGuy69
A few more questions. Thanks in advance!
1. How are aircraft/base assignments worked for new hires? DOB/SSN? Are all the aircraft and bases available to new hires? (I was told FedEx hand-picks pilots for the MD who have specific flying experience.)
1. How are aircraft/base assignments worked for new hires? DOB/SSN? Are all the aircraft and bases available to new hires? (I was told FedEx hand-picks pilots for the MD who have specific flying experience.)
2. How is commuting life at UPS and does anyone out there commute from Oklahoma and have words on company/off-line flights from OKC/TUL? Does UPS utilize deadheads as much as FedEx?
Yes there are lots of deadheads here, no there aren't as many commercial deadheads as FDX but there are still quite a few.
3. Any thoughts on which aircraft/base would offer better schedule flexibility or be better for a commuter?
10-29-2017, 08:25 AM
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Reposting this here cause its a fantastic overview of the hiring process and proof Navy guys rock!!
Originally Posted by FlewNavy
They emphasized recency/relevancy of experience which is why so many of their current candidates come from Atlas.
Dan Thomas (HR Manager - 35 yrs at UPS) briefed for about 45 minutes followed by a pseudo "Q&A" session featuring screenshots from APC. FAPA and UPS are reading this stuff...and apparently getting lots of laughs as well!
Dan emphasized - "You need to demonstrate to us what you have contributed to your company" - He further clarified that this meant they weren't looking for line pilots that have logged 18,000 hours being the best pilot they can be. They want to see that you provided something more tangible and voluntary that contributed to your company's success. Differentiate yourself positively from the other 10,000 candidates they have on file and the 400 people they meet at the job fair.
Volunteerism was discussed during the presentation - what have you given back to your community?
Dan talked about the Hogan. Its not perfect but does screen out some folks they really don't want. He specifically said "high strung" but I'm not sure if that represents the profile they are screening or just his opinion. They will grant a 6 month do-over but not a third try. It was implied that you can reach out to them and ask to take it over after 6 months.
I saw a few business cards being handed out but not many. The business card seemed to be linked to how well they liked you but I'm not sure - a few folks I spoke with got one and they all seemed to be top tier candidates.
Active vs On File on the application was discussed. Application is scored immediately upon submission. "On File" means that you haven't met their internal threshold for review and won't be looked at until you reapply the following year or they change the threshold. That threshold was not discussed but it was mentioned that it was changed last year and could change in the future if they stop getting top tier candidates. Dan admitted that the application system is universal to UPS and not pilot specific which means that some top tier applicants may "slip through the cracks" of their system based on how the applicant enters information. If he meets you at a job fair he might be able to log-in and check your application - not all of his team does this. He mentioned that a few people he met were "close" but not over his criteria. Takeaway is that if you are On File - apply again in 2018 but make sure you can check more boxes and make a substantive improvement on your application in order to expect a different result.
Dan talked about the competitive pool - he puts people in there if they meet most of their CJO criteria. He does give some CJOs at the interview. The pool is to allow them to continue to evaluate you over time - build TPIC - work longer as a check airman - see if they do something new/different etc. Pool letter is not a CJO an you can be kicked out. "Don't stop your job hunt" is what Dan said.
A management pilot position is probably opening in 2018. Hiring will be internal or off-the-street for this position.
Questions that were asked to me:
What can I bring to UPS?
Can I be at UPS short notice to interview (3 weeks)?
If I run a background check will I find anything?
Have you applied elsewhere and why UPS?
Tell me about an emergency you have had?
What domicile are you interested in?
During the resume review she took extensive notes.
Her notes included answers to most of the above. The only hours she circled were TPIC. I have >2000 hours TPIC and that seemed to be a positive.
I saw no secret sauce for getting a Hogan invite. Generally it seemed to be a positive if:
>2000 hrs TPIC
Heavy/International Experience
Leadership Roles
Volunteerism on the job/community
1 or more Internal Referrals (14 is excessive)
Face to Face at a Job Fair
The FAPA folks put on a nice event overall and UPS did a great job spending quality time with applicants.
Dan Thomas (HR Manager - 35 yrs at UPS) briefed for about 45 minutes followed by a pseudo "Q&A" session featuring screenshots from APC. FAPA and UPS are reading this stuff...and apparently getting lots of laughs as well!
Dan emphasized - "You need to demonstrate to us what you have contributed to your company" - He further clarified that this meant they weren't looking for line pilots that have logged 18,000 hours being the best pilot they can be. They want to see that you provided something more tangible and voluntary that contributed to your company's success. Differentiate yourself positively from the other 10,000 candidates they have on file and the 400 people they meet at the job fair.
Volunteerism was discussed during the presentation - what have you given back to your community?
Dan talked about the Hogan. Its not perfect but does screen out some folks they really don't want. He specifically said "high strung" but I'm not sure if that represents the profile they are screening or just his opinion. They will grant a 6 month do-over but not a third try. It was implied that you can reach out to them and ask to take it over after 6 months.
I saw a few business cards being handed out but not many. The business card seemed to be linked to how well they liked you but I'm not sure - a few folks I spoke with got one and they all seemed to be top tier candidates.
Active vs On File on the application was discussed. Application is scored immediately upon submission. "On File" means that you haven't met their internal threshold for review and won't be looked at until you reapply the following year or they change the threshold. That threshold was not discussed but it was mentioned that it was changed last year and could change in the future if they stop getting top tier candidates. Dan admitted that the application system is universal to UPS and not pilot specific which means that some top tier applicants may "slip through the cracks" of their system based on how the applicant enters information. If he meets you at a job fair he might be able to log-in and check your application - not all of his team does this. He mentioned that a few people he met were "close" but not over his criteria. Takeaway is that if you are On File - apply again in 2018 but make sure you can check more boxes and make a substantive improvement on your application in order to expect a different result.
Dan talked about the competitive pool - he puts people in there if they meet most of their CJO criteria. He does give some CJOs at the interview. The pool is to allow them to continue to evaluate you over time - build TPIC - work longer as a check airman - see if they do something new/different etc. Pool letter is not a CJO an you can be kicked out. "Don't stop your job hunt" is what Dan said.
A management pilot position is probably opening in 2018. Hiring will be internal or off-the-street for this position.
Questions that were asked to me:
What can I bring to UPS?
Can I be at UPS short notice to interview (3 weeks)?
If I run a background check will I find anything?
Have you applied elsewhere and why UPS?
Tell me about an emergency you have had?
What domicile are you interested in?
During the resume review she took extensive notes.
Her notes included answers to most of the above. The only hours she circled were TPIC. I have >2000 hours TPIC and that seemed to be a positive.
I saw no secret sauce for getting a Hogan invite. Generally it seemed to be a positive if:
>2000 hrs TPIC
Heavy/International Experience
Leadership Roles
Volunteerism on the job/community
1 or more Internal Referrals (14 is excessive)
Face to Face at a Job Fair
The FAPA folks put on a nice event overall and UPS did a great job spending quality time with applicants.
11-01-2017, 02:08 AM
#28
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Position: 737/CA
Posts: 16
Fe solo
Here's a question for those who have been able to initiate the process (interview, Hogan, etc..). On the application under the questions about Flight Engineer it asks about when did you first solo. Now since I'm no FE and this question is listed under that section, I and many others didn't answer.
For those who are NOT FEs and have moved forward, did you provide a date or ignored?
For those who are NOT FEs and have moved forward, did you provide a date or ignored?
11-01-2017, 03:22 AM
#29
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Position: Gulfstream 4SP & 5
Posts: 116
Originally Posted by coolbreeze72
Here's a question for those who have been able to initiate the process (interview, Hogan, etc..). On the application under the questions about Flight Engineer it asks about when did you first solo. Now since I'm no FE and this question is listed under that section, I and many others didn't answer.
For those who are NOT FEs and have moved forward, did you provide a date or ignored?
For those who are NOT FEs and have moved forward, did you provide a date or ignored?
This was brought up specifically at the job fair and they admitted that was not right and it will be looked into, and mentioned that since no aircraft require an FE that it would be done away with entirely. No mention of a time frame. I know personally I didn’t fill out any of the FE portion since I don’t have one.
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11-07-2017, 06:55 AM
#30
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Position: Captain
Posts: 18
Just finished the Hogan test. At the end I got "unfortunately we currently have many qualify candidates and we will not be able to schedule you for additional testing"
I guess I didn't make it. I took the advice of being honest and don't try to think about what they want to hear and it didn't work. Good luck to the rest of you guys.
Keep the blue side up
I guess I didn't make it. I took the advice of being honest and don't try to think about what they want to hear and it didn't work. Good luck to the rest of you guys.
Keep the blue side up
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