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2018 UPS hiring
Looks like 2017 hiring is apparently finished with the October class and there are multiple confirmations for a class next January. Time for a new thread.
What we know: UPS communicated with the union in the late summer and hinted they anticipate 2018 hiring to be on par with 2017 hiring (300-324), per IPNN. The first of 14 747-800's has arrived on property with deliveries to continue thru 2018. 74 staffing has been at about 23/plane. Rumors heavy that the company didn't anticipate we would use new vacation policy as much as we did/are. This will help with hiring numbers. New training center being built to house 3 additional sims. https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ups/108410-new-training-center.html Several here have reported being offered a January class. https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ups/108440-jan-3-2018-class-date.html Mandatory 2018 retirements = 32. Can't find how many retired so far this year but it is way more than the mandatory number. No system bid announced or even hints of one. They must do this before any significant hiring occurs. Note: they still have a handful of vacancies leftover from the system bid last year that they can use to hire with. 2018 is looking good for this place. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by FTFF
(Post 2443298)
New training center being built to house 3 additional sims.
But hey, we're building one extra sim bay. Wow, way to plan for the future. Top men I tell you. |
In a sea of rumors, I can't believe that one.
Luckett & Farley is the architect of record on the plans filed with the city...they know what does and does not meet code. |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 2443327)
In a sea of rumors, I can't believe that one.
Luckett & Farley is the architect of record on the plans filed with the city...they know what does and does not meet code. |
Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
(Post 2443338)
It was straight out of a training center manager.
I believe you were told that, and could believe SOMEBODY at some point suggested it, but I just can't believe they actually tried to do that. No, I'm not new here any more, but I do have a passing idea how this stuff works on the design/construction side. I heard from a "projects" manager the building was designed to be built in phases, with this Phase I and subsequent phases able to be built without impacting training in the existing space. Long-range plan : move all training to Edgewood and utilize existing TC for more ramp space. I'll bet you a single shiny dollar Trading Places style as to what actually happens :-) |
Built in phases. Another pathetic excuse for a training center in the future relative to a legacy training center.
I will take your bet Mortimer. As far as code and bathrooms: The requirements of paragraph (c)(1)(i) of this section do not apply to mobile crews or to normally unattended work locations so long as employees working at these locations have transportation immediately available to nearby toilet facilities which meet the other requirements of this subparagraph. |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 2443343)
I believe you were told that, and could believe SOMEBODY at some point suggested it, but I just can't believe they actually tried to do that.
Two words ... Deice Gantry :D But you can't believe they would try something stupid with a training center ? :D |
Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
(Post 2443338)
It was straight out of a training center manager.
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
(Post 2443320)
Another half hearted attempt by UPS. Apparently the first iterations of the training center didn't have any bathrooms or classrooms. They thought we could just go to the other training building. Supposedly the contractor walked away.
But hey, we're building one extra sim bay. Wow, way to plan for the future. Top men I tell you. I asked a "training manager" this summer and was told of no plans for new training center at all. those guys are as in the dark as anyone at UPS. |
Guess since I've known about the budget and planning for the 747 sim and new building by the GOC for a couple years, I don't have a clue.
That's okay. You guys continue thinking no one else could possibly know different because the guy you know told you so. I'll be quiet and let you guys "be real." |
I think I'll trust van drivers over you. That's about as "real" as I get around here.
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So, regardless of how big wherever 2018 hires train at...let's all hope some 88ers call it a career and the looming vacancy is YUGE and *gasp* growth continues next year and beyond....
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In the UPS profile on this website it states 60 will retire in 2018....is this not accurate? I will also call BS on the no bathroom rumor. If they build the new building anything like the ANC training center it should be a decent training facility
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Originally Posted by mrvmo
(Post 2443584)
In the UPS profile on this website it states 60 will retire in 2018....is this not accurate? I will also call BS....
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You guys have it all wrong. It will house a 767 simulator so it will indeed have a bathroom, just no place to wash your hands afterwards
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Friend in the November 13th class.
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According to UPS's own numbers they have hired 272 since January of this year. 53 short of the 325 number they have previously mentioned. More classes likely this year, but who knows for sure.
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From the outside looking in...with all the complaining, back and fourth, leaked documents and terrible catering....... I'm saying let me in! I think everyone gets tainted on their current job after so many years. I'm looking for a place to fly aircraft, make a good living, provide retirement for me and my family and leave the company a little better than I found it. For me , that is UPS. I leave work problems at work, home problems at home. I remind some of the keyboard warriors here that there are 1,000's of us that just want that call. Cheers to all and looking forward to more useful hiring info! Best of luck to everyone.
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Originally Posted by longhauler
(Post 2443653)
Friend in the November 13th class.
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Originally Posted by 767pilot
(Post 2443614)
You guys have it all wrong. It will house a 767 simulator so it will indeed have a bathroom, just no place to wash your hands afterwards
:D |
Originally Posted by deliveryman
(Post 2443731)
...looking forward to more useful hiring info!
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Originally Posted by FTFF
(Post 2443752)
Right. Gents, let's keep the comments relevant so these guys don't have to read through thousands of pages of crap just to get the latest info on hiring.
Back to the basics of 2018 hiring ... the company has indicated that 2018 levels will be comparable to 2017. Anything else is conjecture and "educated guesses" from the masses. |
Originally Posted by CactusCrew
(Post 2443809)
Why should this forum be any different than finding relevant/pertinent info on our company EFKs and websites ? ;) Consider it a test to filter out the weak :D
Back to the basics of 2018 hiring ... the company has indicated that 2018 levels will be comparable to 2017. Anything else is conjecture and "educated guesses" from the masses. |
Originally Posted by FTFF
(Post 2443752)
Right. Gents, let's keep the comments relevant so these guys don't have to read through thousands of pages of crap just to get the latest info on hiring.
https://www.writeraccess.com/wp-cont...0/78486334.jpg In all seriousness - if you're interested in coming here, or any other major airline - learn to deal with and to filter through "crap" because that's life. Here and elsewhere. Frankly, they should be reading it all because knowing the good, the bad and the ugly is how we keep our pilot force strong and united. We don't need a "I'll pretty much do anything and I'll do it for less" mindset. You get my point. There's a different application for that. :rolleyes: Sincerely wish the best to all the wannabies. There's lots of good info here. |
New hire equipment and commuting from OKC
A few more questions. Thanks in advance!
1. How are aircraft/base assignments worked for new hires? DOB/SSN? Are all the aircraft and bases available to new hires? (I was told FedEx hand-picks pilots for the MD who have specific flying experience.) 2. How is commuting life at UPS and does anyone out there commute from Oklahoma and have words on company/off-line flights from OKC/TUL? Does UPS utilize deadheads as much as FedEx? 3. Any thoughts on which aircraft/base would offer better schedule flexibility or be better for a commuter? Thanks again |
Originally Posted by ViperGuy69
(Post 2449778)
A few more questions. Thanks in advance!
1. How are aircraft/base assignments worked for new hires? DOB/SSN? Are all the aircraft and bases available to new hires? (I was told FedEx hand-picks pilots for the MD who have specific flying experience.) 2. How is commuting life at UPS and does anyone out there commute from Oklahoma and have words on company/off-line flights from OKC/TUL? Does UPS utilize deadheads as much as FedEx? Yes there are lots of deadheads here, no there aren't as many commercial deadheads as FDX but there are still quite a few. 3. Any thoughts on which aircraft/base would offer better schedule flexibility or be better for a commuter? |
Reposting this here cause its a fantastic overview of the hiring process and proof Navy guys rock!!
Originally Posted by FlewNavy
(Post 2456623)
They emphasized recency/relevancy of experience which is why so many of their current candidates come from Atlas.
Dan Thomas (HR Manager - 35 yrs at UPS) briefed for about 45 minutes followed by a pseudo "Q&A" session featuring screenshots from APC. FAPA and UPS are reading this stuff...and apparently getting lots of laughs as well! Dan emphasized - "You need to demonstrate to us what you have contributed to your company" - He further clarified that this meant they weren't looking for line pilots that have logged 18,000 hours being the best pilot they can be. They want to see that you provided something more tangible and voluntary that contributed to your company's success. Differentiate yourself positively from the other 10,000 candidates they have on file and the 400 people they meet at the job fair. Volunteerism was discussed during the presentation - what have you given back to your community? Dan talked about the Hogan. Its not perfect but does screen out some folks they really don't want. He specifically said "high strung" but I'm not sure if that represents the profile they are screening or just his opinion. They will grant a 6 month do-over but not a third try. It was implied that you can reach out to them and ask to take it over after 6 months. I saw a few business cards being handed out but not many. The business card seemed to be linked to how well they liked you but I'm not sure - a few folks I spoke with got one and they all seemed to be top tier candidates. Active vs On File on the application was discussed. Application is scored immediately upon submission. "On File" means that you haven't met their internal threshold for review and won't be looked at until you reapply the following year or they change the threshold. That threshold was not discussed but it was mentioned that it was changed last year and could change in the future if they stop getting top tier candidates. Dan admitted that the application system is universal to UPS and not pilot specific which means that some top tier applicants may "slip through the cracks" of their system based on how the applicant enters information. If he meets you at a job fair he might be able to log-in and check your application - not all of his team does this. He mentioned that a few people he met were "close" but not over his criteria. Takeaway is that if you are On File - apply again in 2018 but make sure you can check more boxes and make a substantive improvement on your application in order to expect a different result. Dan talked about the competitive pool - he puts people in there if they meet most of their CJO criteria. He does give some CJOs at the interview. The pool is to allow them to continue to evaluate you over time - build TPIC - work longer as a check airman - see if they do something new/different etc. Pool letter is not a CJO an you can be kicked out. "Don't stop your job hunt" is what Dan said. A management pilot position is probably opening in 2018. Hiring will be internal or off-the-street for this position. Questions that were asked to me: What can I bring to UPS? Can I be at UPS short notice to interview (3 weeks)? If I run a background check will I find anything? Have you applied elsewhere and why UPS? Tell me about an emergency you have had? What domicile are you interested in? During the resume review she took extensive notes. Her notes included answers to most of the above. The only hours she circled were TPIC. I have >2000 hours TPIC and that seemed to be a positive. I saw no secret sauce for getting a Hogan invite. Generally it seemed to be a positive if: >2000 hrs TPIC Heavy/International Experience Leadership Roles Volunteerism on the job/community 1 or more Internal Referrals (14 is excessive) Face to Face at a Job Fair The FAPA folks put on a nice event overall and UPS did a great job spending quality time with applicants. |
Fe solo
Here's a question for those who have been able to initiate the process (interview, Hogan, etc..). On the application under the questions about Flight Engineer it asks about when did you first solo. Now since I'm no FE and this question is listed under that section, I and many others didn't answer.
For those who are NOT FEs and have moved forward, did you provide a date or ignored? |
Originally Posted by coolbreeze72
(Post 2458518)
Here's a question for those who have been able to initiate the process (interview, Hogan, etc..). On the application under the questions about Flight Engineer it asks about when did you first solo. Now since I'm no FE and this question is listed under that section, I and many others didn't answer.
For those who are NOT FEs and have moved forward, did you provide a date or ignored? This was brought up specifically at the job fair and they admitted that was not right and it will be looked into, and mentioned that since no aircraft require an FE that it would be done away with entirely. No mention of a time frame. I know personally I didn’t fill out any of the FE portion since I don’t have one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Just finished the Hogan test. At the end I got "unfortunately we currently have many qualify candidates and we will not be able to schedule you for additional testing"
I guess I didn't make it. I took the advice of being honest and don't try to think about what they want to hear and it didn't work. Good luck to the rest of you guys. Keep the blue side up |
Did you have any preparation going into the test?
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Originally Posted by Shrtfild
(Post 2461764)
Just finished the Hogan test. At the end I got "unfortunately we currently have many qualify candidates and we will not be able to schedule you for additional testing"
I guess I didn't make it. I took the advice of being honest and don't try to think about what they want to hear and it didn't work. Good luck to the rest of you guys. Keep the blue side up As few of us mentioned it before - this test is NOT about honesty or about you being who you are. The test is totally illogical and it eliminates some high quality candidates. I’ve been told that the airline side doesn’t want it but that Atlanta does. They keep changing or “tweaking” the criteria regularly so the “correct answer” on monday might be incorrect by wednesday. They say they don’t want “canned” answers but that’s not true. It’s ALL about pretending and giving them the answers they want to hear, on that specific day. |
+1. Not to jinx myself, but when i passed the united hogan in 2008 i told them what they wanted to hear vs honesty. Still waiting to get ups hogan invite
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Does “Active” on ones app mean you are under consideration for the Hogan test? Ive been “active” for all of 2017, and all of my 3 previous apps reflect “active” too. Trying to figure out if “active” is indeed better than “on file”......thanks!
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Originally Posted by silver fleet
(Post 2461896)
Does “Active” on ones app mean you are under consideration for the Hogan test? Ive been “active” for all of 2017, and all of my 3 previous apps reflect “active” too. Trying to figure out if “active” is indeed better than “on file”......thanks!
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Originally Posted by CL300
(Post 2461908)
Yes, Active means you’re in the short stack. If and when that call comes for the phone interview, nobody on the line knows. In general, a phone interview will happen prior to the Hogan, unless you made an impression at a job fair. In that case, you could receive the Hogan without the phone interview.
This is exactly what I’ve been told. Also, check your spam folder for hogan email invites. The domain name might not say ups. |
Originally Posted by whalesurfer
(Post 2461911)
^^^
This is exactly what I’ve been told. Also, check your spam folder for hogan email invites. The domain name might not say ups. |
Thank you for the information Gentlemen...
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I have been "active" for almost a year and am well short of 1000tpic, so I don't know how accurate that information is anymore. Not arguing, just adding data to the speculation.
I'd love it if I was actually in the short stack. |
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 2462009)
I have been "active" for almost a year and am well short of 1000tpic, so I don't know how accurate that information is anymore. Not arguing, just adding data to the speculation.
I'd love it if I was actually in the short stack. |
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