767pilot

I don't think it's generational. The average age of new hires isn't very different than the age of most of us.

We're hiring far fewer of the 20 and 30 somethings we used to get. People who have made more financial and family commitments and have trouble finding flexibility with them. They are taking large pay cuts versus what was a raise for many of us.

Brown is looking for highly qualified people but not willing to pay the first year pay if takes to keep some of them smiling. There's going to be conflict.

Personally I'd like to see them go back to hiring guys a little less qualified but perhaps a little more trainable and adaptable to our system.

Not that the guys I have come across haven't been great, but there's lots of great people that haven't been left seat of an international heavy that would fit in just as well or better. The stories from school house and ioe instructors are enlightening.

BoilerUP

I've read the "second year at $200k" numerous times, but never seen anybody show their math.

Are we talking "Total Gross Earnings" on the earning statement which includes perdiem, premiums, LAP, JAs, etc. or "Total Compensation" which also includes the 12% DC?

As a 3/4 year FO, I credited more than 1100 hours last year (including credit from premiums, LAP, JA) but made fairly little perdiem (only 13 hotel stays in 2017), and broke $200k in TGE only due to the second half of the signing bonus.

Like I said upthread, perhaps I'm under-achieving

UPSFO4LIFE

Sorry, you are not going to make 200k your second year, but the pay bump will be very nice probably in the 150-180 range.

Swedish Blender

So pre-9/11 quals? A lot of the people hired in the 90s wouldn't meet the mins to apply during the last 14 years of hiring.

767pilot

No, and that includes me. We hired a nice spectrum of people in the first decade of this century. I think that the key to our hiring has always been a nice diversity of background and experience. We're locking a lot of good sub 5000 hour people out including many in the service. Delta and united are welcoming them.

arjmjj

Second year pay 1 Sept 2018 is $180.99. At 75 hour guarantee that is $176,465 gross.

G550Guy

To the original post:

I came here knowing full well what lay ahead. It is what it is, and it won’t change anytime soon. I’ve mentioned before if you can’t afford the first year pay, you can’t afford the second year. I finished probation a month ago and I’m glad to report I made it just fine. I barely bought a meal the whole year, and I made closer to 60k after it was all said and done. It actually humbled me and reminded me what most America’s live off of.

This bid I’ve picked up 2 open-time trips (26 hours and 5 days) my choice, my decision. I’ve got my first kid headed to college this fall. If I did that every bid, I’d do well over 200k without even blinking. Doubtful I will do it all the time, but this time around it was a no brainer... a turn to HNL and one to ANC, easy money.




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767pilot

Good. Now you can pay me back and damn I'm hungry!

UPSFO4LIFE

Guess I was pretty close!

arjmjj

In the ballpark for sure.