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08-23-2019, 03:51 PM
#153
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Originally Posted by howardhughes8
The reality is schedules have gotten increasingly efficient and difficult to commute. Even the very senior guys are complaining. Forget about MIA if you don’t live there, impossible. Schedules down right suck!!!
08-23-2019, 03:53 PM
#154
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Originally Posted by FTv3
I wouldn’t agree with this in terms of commutability in SDF. Lines (trip mix) seem generally the same since I’ve been here. Perhaps MD guys have had their big shift to domestic thus changing things a bit but flipping through the latest bid pack doesn’t look at all terrible for them or any other fleet for that matter. The pairing themselves on the other hand....
When I refer to commutability I include choppiness of lines, meaning not enough days between pairings to go home.
08-23-2019, 04:02 PM
#156
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Originally Posted by howardhughes8
When I refer to commutability I include choppiness of lines, meaning not enough days between pairings to go home.
08-23-2019, 04:17 PM
#157
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Bus schedules have absolutely degraded over the last couple years, in terms of both paring quality and trip patterning. This is true across hard lines, BTLs, reserve lines, and even turn lines.
Yeah, five consecutive morning turns is a GREAT idea, as is report times moving within a block...
This is to say nothing about 10+ day domestic trips, circadian flips, or four trips back-to-back.
Yeah, five consecutive morning turns is a GREAT idea, as is report times moving within a block...
This is to say nothing about 10+ day domestic trips, circadian flips, or four trips back-to-back.
08-23-2019, 05:20 PM
#158
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Bus schedules have absolutely degraded over the last couple years, in terms of both paring quality and trip patterning. This is true across hard lines, BTLs, reserve lines, and even turn lines.
Yeah, five consecutive morning turns is a GREAT idea, as is report times moving within a block...
This is to say nothing about 10+ day domestic trips, circadian flips, or four trips back-to-back.
Yeah, five consecutive morning turns is a GREAT idea, as is report times moving within a block...
This is to say nothing about 10+ day domestic trips, circadian flips, or four trips back-to-back.
The 10-15 day blocks are always offset by big blocks of days off making these lines pretty good for commuters.
Not sure what the problem with reserve is: looks pretty clean, consistent and with a good variety.
Last edited by FTv3; 08-23-2019 at 06:00 PM.
08-23-2019, 06:44 PM
#159
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3 on 4 off every week was nearly every morning turn line two years ago.
A forth morning turn is exponentially harder than three, even with a full week off in the pattern; a fifth consecutive turn under nearly any circumstance is begging for a fatigue call.
Throw in shifting report times day-to-day and yeah, things have degraded...
A forth morning turn is exponentially harder than three, even with a full week off in the pattern; a fifth consecutive turn under nearly any circumstance is begging for a fatigue call.
Throw in shifting report times day-to-day and yeah, things have degraded...
08-24-2019, 04:32 AM
#160
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Originally Posted by FTv3
From http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/up...ht-flying.html
...Since "night flying" is a blanket term, here is what it actually is, at least at Mother Brown.
As for all the questions they were drilling you on: this job is mainly about fatigue management. Your main thoughts are how to recover and be rested for the next assignment. The guys that don't are the ones who look 20 years older than they are. Like boiler said, you have to make a lifestyle change to fly night if you want to survive. It's all about survival.
...Since "night flying" is a blanket term, here is what it actually is, at least at Mother Brown.
As for all the questions they were drilling you on: this job is mainly about fatigue management. Your main thoughts are how to recover and be rested for the next assignment. The guys that don't are the ones who look 20 years older than they are. Like boiler said, you have to make a lifestyle change to fly night if you want to survive. It's all about survival.
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