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Old 04-16-2018, 06:09 AM   #1  
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Hello everybody. Iím sure thatís has been covered 100 times (or more) but I had a few questions regarding the ANC crew base.

1. With all the movement in the 747 fleet is it most likely that a new hire around 35 years old would get ANC right out of school?

2. How would the schedule be for a new hire based in ANC who lives in the PHL area and would commute? How many commutes could I expect in a bid period.

3. How realistic is it to move your schedule around to block a lot of your trips together to cut down on the commuting?

4. How many days in a bid period can a new hire expect to be away from home? I know reserve is basically maxed at 14 days, but i also read that reserve goes pretty senior in ANC, so for a new hire line how many days can I expect to be away from home.

5. Iím 35 years old and currently a 91 guy flying a G550 for a major corporation, I average being away from home about 13 - 15 days a month, and approx 120 over nights a year. And my total compensation is around 225-230 yearly (not including retirement) so Iím curious if you guys think itís worth making the jump or not?

Thanks for advance for the input. Fly safe.

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Old 04-16-2018, 06:46 AM   #2  
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I can't speak too specifically about where you will be in the class ANC schedules, but from the folks that I've talked to in the recent past the junior new-hires are getting sent to ANC. You've been in the business long enough to know that living in domicile makes for an improved lifestyle, but you may have extenuating circumstances, AK is a big leap. I'd move to leave your current job if you are unhappy or feel that you won't be able to save enough money to retire from that company or if you think that their flight department is in jeopardy. You won't make a ton more as an F/O at UPS from what you've shared and you've got a 170K deficit to overcome from the first year's salary. You'll make more once you upgrade to CA, but that should be around the 10 year mark. Before anyone disputes this estimate, remember the furloughees were told to estimate an 8 year upgrade. On the surface, I don't know that you'd improve your situation significantly, but the devil is in the details. The pay scales are listed as well as the current retirement system. Run the numbers based on current percentage of the junior CA at UPS and other airlines as well as projected retirements. Finally, consider the culture of your new employer, wherever that may be, and see how that fits with your current and projected family situation. If I were in your situation and decided to leave my current employer, I'd look at the big 3 pax carriers. Good luck with your decision.
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If I were in your situation and decided to leave my current employer, I'd look at the big 3 pax carriers.

Well I didnít, and still wouldnít.

I punched from the left seat of a G550... and came to UPS in Jan. 2016... when I was 49. I couldnít be more happy with the decision I made. I love flying here, and have ZERO regrets. PM me if you want to talk.


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Well I didnít, and still wouldnít.

I punched from the left seat of a G550... and came to UPS in Jan. 2016... when I was 49. I couldnít be more happy with the decision I made. I love flying here, and have ZERO regrets. PM me if you want to talk.


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Maybe you should talk to your peers that were furloughed unnecessarily, they all had your go lucky happy attitude prior to having the rug pulled out and left stranded in ANC. Just give it time you will be choking on your words and great attitude will be in the toilet in time young Skywalker!
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Most of the ďUPS vs FEDEXĒ discussions here on APC seem to compare both jobs equally. Some minor differences, but overall, both excellent companies to work for; however, the rift between company and pilots seems much more vitriolic at UPS. Is this an internet forum perception or reality? And how much does this conflict affect job satisfaction?
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Maybe you should talk to your peers that were furloughed unnecessarily, they all had your go lucky happy attitude prior to having the rug pulled out and left stranded in ANC. Just give it time you will be choking on your words and great attitude will be in the toilet in time young Skywalker!
I know several guys who were furloughed... I have a lot in common with them. I was standing in the unemployment line in RDU along with about 300 of my Midway Airlines colleagues in Sept 2001. I went and drove a Tanker Truck at night to feed the family.

The big difference between my furlough and yours?? You had a job to go back too, we didn't.

So before you go all church lady on us "young sky walkers"... learn your audience pal. Some of us have been in this rodeo for 25 years or more, and actually WANT to fly for UPS.
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Most of the ďUPS vs FEDEXĒ discussions here on APC seem to compare both jobs equally. Some minor differences, but overall, both excellent companies to work for; however, the rift between company and pilots seems much more vitriolic at UPS. Is this an internet forum perception or reality? And how much does this conflict affect job satisfaction?
Every company has it's 5%ers. Some are just more vocal on public forums than others, and it'll give that perception. UPS has a very solid pilot force, very good people. I haven't run into anyone as bitter in real life as some of these guys are on APC.
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the rift between company and pilots seems much more vitriolic at UPS. Is this an internet forum perception or reality?
There is a significant difference in how pilots have historically been treated & regarded by management at UPS and FedEx, with non-union management pilots probably being the single biggest difference.

It is arguably those differences in treatment which caused the IPA to become as unified as it is.

The fact SDF airline management can do practically nothing without corporate (Atlanta) approval means things happen waaaaaaaaaaaaay slower than they need to...which obviously causes conflict (see also: subcontracting scope clause violation).

On the line, however, it really isn't worse than the typical griping that ANY pilot at ANY airline sees and participates in.
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Maybe you should talk to your peers that were furloughed unnecessarily, they all had your go lucky happy attitude prior to having the rug pulled out and left stranded in ANC. Just give it time you will be choking on your words and great attitude will be in the toilet in time young Skywalker!

Nothing productive about this kind of post.
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I know several guys who were furloughed... I have a lot in common with them. I was standing in the unemployment line in RDU along with about 300 of my Midway Airlines colleagues in Sept 2001. I went and drove a Tanker Truck at night to feed the family.

The big difference between my furlough and yours?? You had a job to go back too, we didn't.

So before you go all church lady on us "young sky walkers"... learn your audience pal. Some of us have been in this rodeo for 25 years or more, and actually WANT to fly for UPS.
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