Interviews, Classes and General Hiring 2018
12-25-2018, 03:57 AM
#231
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 757/767
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Understand
but..
1. UPS isn't an airline
Corporate Profile | UPS
No where do they talk about the airline in this profile. They operate one but Corporate HQ drives the hiring process across all 20+ subsidiaries.
2. UPS doesn't interview anyone to fly an airplane, they focus on the future UPS employee and will this person fit their needs as listed above, think Hogan profile that several companies use. It's not about flying. Don't pass the Hogan (as other companies that fly planes use), flying skills matters not. As pilots, our entry gate is our flying experience and 99.9% simply want to fly their airplanes. They offer the interview for a "flight officer" job based on past flying experience. Like any company, you will learn to fly their way or go home.
3. UPS has more than enough applicants. Pilot shortage isn't a function of lack of very qualified applicants. Corporate just didn't think they needed more....
4. Most get hired to just fly an airplane and have a good career. However, to get hired, it's their show. Not the applicants. UPS doesn't seemed concerned enough to get over themselves, BS and all. That is up to the applicant. Would argue the legacies and FedEx et al are pretty similar in that regard.
YMMV
Cheers
but..
1. UPS isn't an airline
Corporate Profile | UPS
No where do they talk about the airline in this profile. They operate one but Corporate HQ drives the hiring process across all 20+ subsidiaries.
2. UPS doesn't interview anyone to fly an airplane, they focus on the future UPS employee and will this person fit their needs as listed above, think Hogan profile that several companies use. It's not about flying. Don't pass the Hogan (as other companies that fly planes use), flying skills matters not. As pilots, our entry gate is our flying experience and 99.9% simply want to fly their airplanes. They offer the interview for a "flight officer" job based on past flying experience. Like any company, you will learn to fly their way or go home.
3. UPS has more than enough applicants. Pilot shortage isn't a function of lack of very qualified applicants. Corporate just didn't think they needed more....
4. Most get hired to just fly an airplane and have a good career. However, to get hired, it's their show. Not the applicants. UPS doesn't seemed concerned enough to get over themselves, BS and all. That is up to the applicant. Would argue the legacies and FedEx et al are pretty similar in that regard.
YMMV
Cheers
12-25-2018, 09:45 AM
#232
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 38
None of this matters anyway....
Within 18 months the hiring will cease and the MD will go away and a furlough will be on the horizon....
People buy and ship things less when they see their 401k/retirement $$ **** the bed.
The trade war is not helping.
Flying around empty airplanes is not good for business.
many other reasons
Within 18 months the hiring will cease and the MD will go away and a furlough will be on the horizon....
People buy and ship things less when they see their 401k/retirement $$ **** the bed.
The trade war is not helping.
Flying around empty airplanes is not good for business.
many other reasons
12-25-2018, 02:51 PM
#234
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 919
Originally Posted by FrontSeat2
None of this matters anyway....
Within 18 months the hiring will cease and the MD will go away and a furlough will be on the horizon....
People buy and ship things less when they see their 401k/retirement $$ **** the bed.
The trade war is not helping.
Flying around empty airplanes is not good for business.
many other reasons
Within 18 months the hiring will cease and the MD will go away and a furlough will be on the horizon....
People buy and ship things less when they see their 401k/retirement $$ **** the bed.
The trade war is not helping.
Flying around empty airplanes is not good for business.
many other reasons
Glad you're back! I feel so much better about my life when you bless us with your constant misery. Keep posting and Merry Christmas!
12-25-2018, 07:36 PM
#235
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Posts: 38
Originally Posted by flyguy23
Glad you're back! I feel so much better about my life when you bless us with your constant misery. Keep posting and Merry Christmas!
Do you follow interest rate movement? P/E ratios, stock prices? The white planes on the ramp even during non-peak?
The bond and business cycle? Listen to most informative person on YouTube, Ray Dalio on how the economy works.
12-26-2018, 12:59 AM
#236
Social Media retired.
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Posts: 777
Originally Posted by FrontSeat2
None of this matters anyway....
Within 18 months the hiring will cease and the MD will go away and a furlough will be on the horizon....
People buy and ship things less when they see their 401k/retirement $$ **** the bed.
The trade war is not helping.
Flying around empty airplanes is not good for business.
many other reasons
Within 18 months the hiring will cease and the MD will go away and a furlough will be on the horizon....
People buy and ship things less when they see their 401k/retirement $$ **** the bed.
The trade war is not helping.
Flying around empty airplanes is not good for business.
many other reasons
1B. New a/c deliveries also continue. Economy continues to shift to online retail. Even with a slowdown these will be major countering forces to any RIF that might materialize in the long distant future.
1C. MD11 not vanishing so soon. FedEx still uses them internationally, Lufthansa out of FRA so parts still avail for HKG and CGN destinations. It has domestic value as well.
1D. New furlough language in contract 2016 will help mitigate future furloughs.
2. 401K value decrease correlated to decreased consumer spending? Google average US 401K portfolio value then consider if the two are related. The tiny percentage of upper middle class affected, maybe, but that starts down the trickle down theory of things and has no place here.
3. Trade war....I’d worry more about amazon.
4. Empty airplanes @ peak: Cost of keeping service failures above an unspecified predetermined level. Been the status quo at every peak I’ve been here and the elders tell me it’s not a new practice.
There are a lot of new hires and unborns that read these threads. Keep them in mind before you post irrational / succumbing to you own fears and insecurities type of postings. This is not the B&G crowd.
12-26-2018, 02:41 AM
#237
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Posts: 7,512
I’m just a dumb airplane pilot...but recent market capitulation seems far more driven by emotion than any *actual* change in economic fundamentals.
Nobody likes watching their MPP & 401k drop...but the bull market was the longest since WWII at nearly a decade long, and equities were overvalued after the 2017 run.
All good things must come to an end, and while economic growth is projected to slightly slow in 2019....the trend arrow is still up.
Specifically for UPS, more pilots are hitting mandatory retirement age or punching early and we are taking delivery of 28 more new airplanes, all announced as growth, in the next 3.5 years. We just closed a bid providing 180 vacancies for newhires.
The sky isn’t falling.
Nobody likes watching their MPP & 401k drop...but the bull market was the longest since WWII at nearly a decade long, and equities were overvalued after the 2017 run.
All good things must come to an end, and while economic growth is projected to slightly slow in 2019....the trend arrow is still up.
Specifically for UPS, more pilots are hitting mandatory retirement age or punching early and we are taking delivery of 28 more new airplanes, all announced as growth, in the next 3.5 years. We just closed a bid providing 180 vacancies for newhires.
The sky isn’t falling.
12-26-2018, 09:16 PM
#238
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Posts: 1,730
Originally Posted by FTv3
1C. MD11 not vanishing so soon. FedEx still uses them internationally, Lufthansa out of FRA so parts still avail for HKG and CGN destinations. It has domestic value as well.
12-27-2018, 01:29 AM
#239
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
The MD will be out of ANC in 12 months... Doubt you’ll see...any Asia flying for the MD in a year.
12-27-2018, 05:06 AM
#240
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All that is happening is shifting of MD flying to more domestic work as capacity is needed domestically. Anything is possible, such as parking the MD’s overnight, but the Company’s plan seems to be to operate the MD’s in a more controlled environment (domestic) while adding needed domestic capacity and using the whales for most of the international flying, although no one talks about the 76, which does a fair amount of international hauling, and is not being reduced at all.
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