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Old 12-14-2018, 05:10 AM   #41  
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UPS does that with every single pilot hired, regardless if their background is military, 91, 91K/135, 121 or a variety of some or all the above.

Think about it this way: by UPS creating a program for interns to go to AMF and gain real-world experience flying freight in twin turboprops before having the opportunity to wear brown polyester, they have created a small but steady stream of new pilots to fly their feeder aircraft instead of those former interns going to a regional airline to build the experience necessary to be considered for employment flying for UPS.

It is a win/win for UPS, Ameriflight and UPS interns alike - and for interns it is a moderate risk but extremely high reward proposition.

As to your question about 'what does the year-long internship consist of?', I cannot speak for the current program but as a former Training Center Co-op much of my duties revolved around program development.
I would hope UPS trains all of their people to 1 company standard but my point was why not start with someone who already has years of experience and knowledge versus someone who just now decided to get a pilots license?
From what I read here there are plenty of people with tons of experience who would really like to work there.
As far as the reward, all it says is candidates get an interview and ameriflights payscale is low.
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Airline interns eligible for this program are aviation university graduates who hold COM-ASMEL certificates and most likely are also CFIs.

If UPS doesn’t demonstrate that this is a viable path for interns to fly Browntails, potential interns will dry up...as will that small bit steady stream of new pilots to fly UPS-contracted feeder aircraft for AMF.
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Airline interns eligible for this program are aviation university graduates who hold COM-ASMEL certificates and most likely are also CFIs.
That's not having the experience Vital Signs is talking about. That's just getting started. Used to be that a pilot would need minimum of 5 years in a Continental Express ATR or something before he or she was even looked at.
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It appears to me UPS is ignoring the people in the front row with their hands up and calling on the ones out in the hall.
And ups has now taken it public by claiming “there are no good pilots left for us to hire so we will make our own”

Yes Boiler I see all of your points and I am sure many newbies will be excited about the program.
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It appears to me UPS is ignoring the people in the front row with their hands up and calling on the ones out in the hall.
And ups has now taken it public by claiming “there are no good pilots left for us to hire so we will make our own”

Yes Boiler I see all of your points and I am sure many newbies will be excited about the program.
How is the UPS Flightpath program different than the AAL flow throughs or DAL, UAL, and FEX guaranteed interview programs? While I understand the foundation of the argument here at UPS, Flightpath will be a relatively insignificant segment of our overall hiring (at least in it's current form). Keep up the fight and try not to get discouraged.
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That's not having the experience Vital Signs is talking about. That's just getting started. Used to be that a pilot would need minimum of 5 years in a Continental Express ATR or something before he or she was even looked at.
There’s a guy on the other thread who stated stats of a recent new hire, 14,000TT. That isn’t exactly a spring chicken. I met a few new guys this year and all have been in 121 for well over a decade. In fact, I think we are one of the few companies that prefer higher time guys.
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It appears to me UPS is ignoring the people in the front row with their hands up and calling on the ones out in the hall.
And ups has now taken it public by claiming “there are no good pilots left for us to hire so we will make our own”

Yes Boiler I see all of your points and I am sure many newbies will be excited about the program.
Regardless of what it appears, UPS only hires the "front row"
Personally, think the UPS program is a shtick to keep up with FedEx and other airlines future pilot generator programs. Not a current pilot generator, that program is called "Atlas"
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Until I see the first 25 rear old ex ameriflight pilot come aboard from that program, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Anyone know when the application opens up?
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Program is in disarray to say the least right now. Manager running it got fired last week. She lawyered up and hopefully gets her job back. New guy got it dropped on top of his other responsibilities. They have a funding problem and some of the spots got cut. The second batch of interns had anyone who had the time to go to a regional leave. They all visited ameriflight and basically were told,"forget what UPS told you will be here for at least several years building competitive time, so suck it up." They were treated like crap by AMF and voted with their feet. UPS won't bring in any higher time peeps now because they can and do walk when the promises don't match reality. If you are low time and don't have a CFI this might not be a bad gig. But, you will still have to go somewhere to get "competitive time". Read the fine print carefully if you want to deal with this devil.
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