UPS 2019 Hiring
#31
Job fair is crucial. However, the caveat to that is you must be marketable for what they are looking for (which is a moving target). When I was hired a couple years ago most of my classmates had attended a job fair. Civilian range of hours was 8000-9000 total with about 2500 TPIC. Military was significantly less but 99% were refueling aircraft. There are always exceptions to every hiring numeric parameter. But in general, be in the ballpark of what they are looking for and attend a job fair (or two).
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So what I’m gathering is if you want the best shot for an interview, have:
1. Heavy time,
2. International experience (at least some)
3. TT 8,000+
4. Internal recs
5. Job fair attendance
6. Military
However, note the class that started last week had:
3/8 corporate,
1 ABX,
4/8 military (Go Navy!!!).
All got 75/76 SDF. Half got Z (intl), half got domestic. 1 navy guy got domestic, the other intl. 2 coprporate guys got intl, ABX guy got domestic.
Previous class in early November was:
2 military,
1 corporate,
1 from Cathay, atlas, and Omni.
All awarded airbus.
Looks like there are two Jan classes. One on 4th and another on 29th. System bid closes Monday so we should have an idea of what fleet they could expect shortly after. That’s all the intel I got. A330 rumor seems to be drying up.
1. Heavy time,
2. International experience (at least some)
3. TT 8,000+
4. Internal recs
5. Job fair attendance
6. Military
However, note the class that started last week had:
3/8 corporate,
1 ABX,
4/8 military (Go Navy!!!).
All got 75/76 SDF. Half got Z (intl), half got domestic. 1 navy guy got domestic, the other intl. 2 coprporate guys got intl, ABX guy got domestic.
Previous class in early November was:
2 military,
1 corporate,
1 from Cathay, atlas, and Omni.
All awarded airbus.
Looks like there are two Jan classes. One on 4th and another on 29th. System bid closes Monday so we should have an idea of what fleet they could expect shortly after. That’s all the intel I got. A330 rumor seems to be drying up.
Last edited by FTv3; 12-14-2018 at 11:41 AM. Reason: Format for clairty
#33
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Airline HR in charge of hiring is the biggest disaster I've seen in 19 years of this industry. My 16' and 17' apps are still active, but I got a TBNT for my 2018 app in June.
#34
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Not really. Have all of this with 10k and 2500 TPIC, HVY Intl time on MD-11 and 747-400/-8, 6 internals and 3 job fairs...one where DT himself told me all I needed to do now was pass the Hogan, but I never saw it.
Airline HR in charge of hiring is the biggest disaster I've seen in 19 years of this industry. My 16' and 17' apps are still active, but I got a TBNT for my 2018 app in June.
Airline HR in charge of hiring is the biggest disaster I've seen in 19 years of this industry. My 16' and 17' apps are still active, but I got a TBNT for my 2018 app in June.
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Not really. Have all of this with 10k and 2500 TPIC, HVY Intl time on MD-11 and 747-400/-8, 6 internals and 3 job fairs...one where DT himself told me all I needed to do now was pass the Hogan, but I never saw it.
Airline HR in charge of hiring is the biggest disaster I've seen in 19 years of this industry. My 16' and 17' apps are still active, but I got a TBNT for my 2018 app in June.
Airline HR in charge of hiring is the biggest disaster I've seen in 19 years of this industry. My 16' and 17' apps are still active, but I got a TBNT for my 2018 app in June.
Best of luck.
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While I understand your frustration and agree that your perspective has some truth to it, if your sense of entitlement and mild narcissism came across in your application and/or job fair then that could be a very real reason you haven’t gotten a call. They like humility and folks who think (or convincingly present an image of) there is no better place than UPS. The, “look how good I am; better hire me before your competitors do,” attitude is worse than a dui. Not saying this applies to you but food for thought going forward....
Best of luck.
Best of luck.
Okay, so maybe not a disaster, but sure isn't what it used to be when your experience and recommendations used to mean something.
Seems to be some hyper sensitivity when someone post something that is reality, but may not be glowing about the hiring process. Didn't mean to offend you guys.
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This:
*added by me. If you reread my post more carefully you’ll see I was suggesting vs accusing.
Moving on...
Consider from a different perspective that this ^ may not be true...
You didn’t offend anyone and sorry if you feel we are being oversensitive. I think it’s clear we are on here to help you guys learn more about the gig and get the job. In your case I merely offered an idea as to why you aren’t getting any interest. You say I’m wrong on that. Ok. The other thing I noticed is that you have 10K hours over 19 years in this industry. That’s 526 hours per year. For comparison I had about 800per year, 42% more. So, were you just sitting around on reserve hoping to not get called or were you doing training, union work, check airman stuff, etc. Brown loves evidence of consistent hard work ethic. Perhaps it’s this and not a disfunctional hiring dept overlooking your resume...?
Moving on...
You didn’t offend anyone and sorry if you feel we are being oversensitive. I think it’s clear we are on here to help you guys learn more about the gig and get the job. In your case I merely offered an idea as to why you aren’t getting any interest. You say I’m wrong on that. Ok. The other thing I noticed is that you have 10K hours over 19 years in this industry. That’s 526 hours per year. For comparison I had about 800per year, 42% more. So, were you just sitting around on reserve hoping to not get called or were you doing training, union work, check airman stuff, etc. Brown loves evidence of consistent hard work ethic. Perhaps it’s this and not a disfunctional hiring dept overlooking your resume...?
Last edited by FTv3; 12-14-2018 at 10:26 PM. Reason: Clarity
#38
All your other points aside, can anyone say if the interviewers/HR actually appreciate union time? I’m apprehensive to list union volunteering on a resume or mention it in a interview should I be lucky enough to get to that point...
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There are plenty of union programs that have amicable working relationships with airline management (HIMS, Pro Stands, FOQA, etc.). I’m willing to bet that my experience running one of these programs played a part in getting hired. When I talked to DT at a job fair a couple years ago he made it pretty clear he was a big fan of my union work.
It shows a lot if you’re willing to do extra work to help other pilots without getting any extra compensation for it. I sure didn’t try to hide my union work, and I don’t think anyone should.
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The other thing I noticed is that you have 10K hours over 19 years in this industry. That’s 526 hours per year. For comparison I had about 800per year, 42% more. So, were you just sitting around on reserve hoping to not get called or were you doing training, union work, check airman stuff, etc. Brown loves evidence of consistent hard work ethic. Perhaps it’s this and not a disfunctional hiring dept overlooking your resume...?
Like yours, just my opinion
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