UPS 2019 Hiring
02-14-2019, 09:20 AM
#251
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 110
What a bubble people live in.
We fly the planes, this expectation that we should be something more to UPS is laughable. We are in the red column, right there next to maintenance, loaders, and tugs. As soon as they can eliminate us, or make us cheaper, they will. Before you get your feelings hurt, the only difference between UPS and any other company is they don’t try to fool us into thinking otherwise. If you want to make a lot of money because you want to work hard for a company you think LUVs you....do it. If you want to make a lot of money complaining about a company that pays you a lot of money, you can do that to. Either way a robot will replace you just as soon as it is technologically and economically feasible. Lots of companies loved their employees right up to the day they moved the factory to China.
Looking for meaning in what you do? You can watch a video on the person in 3b going to his son’s graduation, or think about the medical device you are delivering - just block out what the perv in 3a is going to do, or what he ordered online to do it with.
Why doesn’t UPS give things to the pilots out of the kindness of their hearts? Because that’s not the system you all created. They give you a paycheck. You don’t get rewarded unless you put it in the contract, everything is negotiated, so everything is a bargaining chip. Besides that, everything that one labor group gets has consequences for every other labor groups. I can’t image why anyone would get the impression that the folks in the leather jackets aren’t special.
I’m so tired of this drum beat that we know what is best for this immensely complex operation. I’m sick of hearing about all the mistakes the company has made, and the dire straits we are in now because of it. Maybe, just maybe, the company had a goal of making billions of dollars a year. Perhaps they had that goal in mind as they proceeded to make billions of dollars a year. Parking airplanes, short on pilots, etc etc....I have to assume that those are the consequences of focusing resources where the actual people that run the company thought they needed to be focused. Bottom line, as a pilot, I have no idea how anything works, and don’t claim to. I’m probably wrong though, since the CEOs of Southwest, Delta, United are all....wait, check that, they are all money guys - not pilots. I’m not saying the union is wrong, or UPS is right, I’m saying that we have such a small lens to look through that the whole idea we know what deserves priority attention in such a vast and complex network is ridiculous. I know, I know, “UPS makes money in spite of itself.” That’s such a dumb statement that I believe it to be true for anyone that says it to me.
I think this job is great. They pay me well to do it. It is not fulfilling in a way that the military or a firefighting job might be, but I knew that going in. Those jobs are out there, and (oh no, here it comes) if you want some say at UPS you can go to management. Non-standard within the airline industry, but certainly not non-standard, you can’t come back once you choose that path. Say what you will, I believe some of them care and are working to make incremental improvements. Some of them suck. Just like any other company I have ever seen, just like some union pilots I’ve met.
Bottom line, the hardest part about working here is the whining. The company doesn’t hate you, they are indifferent to you. Of course I want more pilots and more airplanes....but I can’t say for certain that I want those things because I think they would be better for UPS. It may be because I want things to be better for me. That also might not be the best place to be (bloated and overmanned) during an economic downturn. Some of my points probably didn’t come across the way I intended, just remember all rebuttals must begin with “I know what is best for a multi billion dollar corporation because I’m a pilot.”
We fly the planes, this expectation that we should be something more to UPS is laughable. We are in the red column, right there next to maintenance, loaders, and tugs. As soon as they can eliminate us, or make us cheaper, they will. Before you get your feelings hurt, the only difference between UPS and any other company is they don’t try to fool us into thinking otherwise. If you want to make a lot of money because you want to work hard for a company you think LUVs you....do it. If you want to make a lot of money complaining about a company that pays you a lot of money, you can do that to. Either way a robot will replace you just as soon as it is technologically and economically feasible. Lots of companies loved their employees right up to the day they moved the factory to China.
Looking for meaning in what you do? You can watch a video on the person in 3b going to his son’s graduation, or think about the medical device you are delivering - just block out what the perv in 3a is going to do, or what he ordered online to do it with.
Why doesn’t UPS give things to the pilots out of the kindness of their hearts? Because that’s not the system you all created. They give you a paycheck. You don’t get rewarded unless you put it in the contract, everything is negotiated, so everything is a bargaining chip. Besides that, everything that one labor group gets has consequences for every other labor groups. I can’t image why anyone would get the impression that the folks in the leather jackets aren’t special.
I’m so tired of this drum beat that we know what is best for this immensely complex operation. I’m sick of hearing about all the mistakes the company has made, and the dire straits we are in now because of it. Maybe, just maybe, the company had a goal of making billions of dollars a year. Perhaps they had that goal in mind as they proceeded to make billions of dollars a year. Parking airplanes, short on pilots, etc etc....I have to assume that those are the consequences of focusing resources where the actual people that run the company thought they needed to be focused. Bottom line, as a pilot, I have no idea how anything works, and don’t claim to. I’m probably wrong though, since the CEOs of Southwest, Delta, United are all....wait, check that, they are all money guys - not pilots. I’m not saying the union is wrong, or UPS is right, I’m saying that we have such a small lens to look through that the whole idea we know what deserves priority attention in such a vast and complex network is ridiculous. I know, I know, “UPS makes money in spite of itself.” That’s such a dumb statement that I believe it to be true for anyone that says it to me.
I think this job is great. They pay me well to do it. It is not fulfilling in a way that the military or a firefighting job might be, but I knew that going in. Those jobs are out there, and (oh no, here it comes) if you want some say at UPS you can go to management. Non-standard within the airline industry, but certainly not non-standard, you can’t come back once you choose that path. Say what you will, I believe some of them care and are working to make incremental improvements. Some of them suck. Just like any other company I have ever seen, just like some union pilots I’ve met.
Bottom line, the hardest part about working here is the whining. The company doesn’t hate you, they are indifferent to you. Of course I want more pilots and more airplanes....but I can’t say for certain that I want those things because I think they would be better for UPS. It may be because I want things to be better for me. That also might not be the best place to be (bloated and overmanned) during an economic downturn. Some of my points probably didn’t come across the way I intended, just remember all rebuttals must begin with “I know what is best for a multi billion dollar corporation because I’m a pilot.”
02-14-2019, 09:42 AM
#252
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 757/767
Posts: 1,128
Originally Posted by fightandflight
What a bubble people live in.
We fly the planes, this expectation that we should be something more to UPS is laughable. We are in the red column, right there next to maintenance, loaders, and tugs. As soon as they can eliminate us, or make us cheaper, they will. Before you get your feelings hurt, the only difference between UPS and any other company is they don’t try to fool us into thinking otherwise. If you want to make a lot of money because you want to work hard for a company you think LUVs you....do it. If you want to make a lot of money complaining about a company that pays you a lot of money, you can do that to. Either way a robot will replace you just as soon as it is technologically and economically feasible. Lots of companies loved their employees right up to the day they moved the factory to China.
Looking for meaning in what you do? You can watch a video on the person in 3b going to his son’s graduation, or think about the medical device you are delivering - just block out what the perv in 3a is going to do, or what he ordered online to do it with.
Why doesn’t UPS give things to the pilots out of the kindness of their hearts? Because that’s not the system you all created. They give you a paycheck. You don’t get rewarded unless you put it in the contract, everything is negotiated, so everything is a bargaining chip. Besides that, everything that one labor group gets has consequences for every other labor groups. I can’t image why anyone would get the impression that the folks in the leather jackets aren’t special.
I’m so tired of this drum beat that we know what is best for this immensely complex operation. I’m sick of hearing about all the mistakes the company has made, and the dire straits we are in now because of it. Maybe, just maybe, the company had a goal of making billions of dollars a year. Perhaps they had that goal in mind as they proceeded to make billions of dollars a year. Parking airplanes, short on pilots, etc etc....I have to assume that those are the consequences of focusing resources where the actual people that run the company thought they needed to be focused. Bottom line, as a pilot, I have no idea how anything works, and don’t claim to. I’m probably wrong though, since the CEOs of Southwest, Delta, United are all....wait, check that, they are all money guys - not pilots. I’m not saying the union is wrong, or UPS is right, I’m saying that we have such a small lens to look through that the whole idea we know what deserves priority attention in such a vast and complex network is ridiculous. I know, I know, “UPS makes money in spite of itself.” That’s such a dumb statement that I believe it to be true for anyone that says it to me.
I think this job is great. They pay me well to do it. It is not fulfilling in a way that the military or a firefighting job might be, but I knew that going in. Those jobs are out there, and (oh no, here it comes) if you want some say at UPS you can go to management. Non-standard within the airline industry, but certainly not non-standard, you can’t come back once you choose that path. Say what you will, I believe some of them care and are working to make incremental improvements. Some of them suck. Just like any other company I have ever seen, just like some union pilots I’ve met.
Bottom line, the hardest part about working here is the whining. The company doesn’t hate you, they are indifferent to you. Of course I want more pilots and more airplanes....but I can’t say for certain that I want those things because I think they would be better for UPS. It may be because I want things to be better for me. That also might not be the best place to be (bloated and overmanned) during an economic downturn. Some of my points probably didn’t come across the way I intended, just remember all rebuttals must begin with “I know what is best for a multi billion dollar corporation because I’m a pilot.”
We fly the planes, this expectation that we should be something more to UPS is laughable. We are in the red column, right there next to maintenance, loaders, and tugs. As soon as they can eliminate us, or make us cheaper, they will. Before you get your feelings hurt, the only difference between UPS and any other company is they don’t try to fool us into thinking otherwise. If you want to make a lot of money because you want to work hard for a company you think LUVs you....do it. If you want to make a lot of money complaining about a company that pays you a lot of money, you can do that to. Either way a robot will replace you just as soon as it is technologically and economically feasible. Lots of companies loved their employees right up to the day they moved the factory to China.
Looking for meaning in what you do? You can watch a video on the person in 3b going to his son’s graduation, or think about the medical device you are delivering - just block out what the perv in 3a is going to do, or what he ordered online to do it with.
Why doesn’t UPS give things to the pilots out of the kindness of their hearts? Because that’s not the system you all created. They give you a paycheck. You don’t get rewarded unless you put it in the contract, everything is negotiated, so everything is a bargaining chip. Besides that, everything that one labor group gets has consequences for every other labor groups. I can’t image why anyone would get the impression that the folks in the leather jackets aren’t special.
I’m so tired of this drum beat that we know what is best for this immensely complex operation. I’m sick of hearing about all the mistakes the company has made, and the dire straits we are in now because of it. Maybe, just maybe, the company had a goal of making billions of dollars a year. Perhaps they had that goal in mind as they proceeded to make billions of dollars a year. Parking airplanes, short on pilots, etc etc....I have to assume that those are the consequences of focusing resources where the actual people that run the company thought they needed to be focused. Bottom line, as a pilot, I have no idea how anything works, and don’t claim to. I’m probably wrong though, since the CEOs of Southwest, Delta, United are all....wait, check that, they are all money guys - not pilots. I’m not saying the union is wrong, or UPS is right, I’m saying that we have such a small lens to look through that the whole idea we know what deserves priority attention in such a vast and complex network is ridiculous. I know, I know, “UPS makes money in spite of itself.” That’s such a dumb statement that I believe it to be true for anyone that says it to me.
I think this job is great. They pay me well to do it. It is not fulfilling in a way that the military or a firefighting job might be, but I knew that going in. Those jobs are out there, and (oh no, here it comes) if you want some say at UPS you can go to management. Non-standard within the airline industry, but certainly not non-standard, you can’t come back once you choose that path. Say what you will, I believe some of them care and are working to make incremental improvements. Some of them suck. Just like any other company I have ever seen, just like some union pilots I’ve met.
Bottom line, the hardest part about working here is the whining. The company doesn’t hate you, they are indifferent to you. Of course I want more pilots and more airplanes....but I can’t say for certain that I want those things because I think they would be better for UPS. It may be because I want things to be better for me. That also might not be the best place to be (bloated and overmanned) during an economic downturn. Some of my points probably didn’t come across the way I intended, just remember all rebuttals must begin with “I know what is best for a multi billion dollar corporation because I’m a pilot.”
Step away from the keyboard...This is not the place nor the forum to talk common sense
02-14-2019, 09:54 AM
#253
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: MD-11 FO
Posts: 493
Now who can argue with that? I think we’re all indebted to Fightandflight for clearly stating what needed to be said. I’m particularly glad that these lovely young wannabe pilots were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic Cargo Pilot gibberish, It expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.
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02-14-2019, 01:45 PM
#254
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by fightandflight
What a bubble people live in.
We fly the planes, this expectation that we should be something more to UPS is laughable. We are in the red column, right there next to maintenance, loaders, and tugs. As soon as they can eliminate us, or make us cheaper, they will. Before you get your feelings hurt, the only difference between UPS and any other company is they don’t try to fool us into thinking otherwise. If you want to make a lot of money because you want to work hard for a company you think LUVs you....do it. If you want to make a lot of money complaining about a company that pays you a lot of money, you can do that to. Either way a robot will replace you just as soon as it is technologically and economically feasible. Lots of companies loved their employees right up to the day they moved the factory to China.
Looking for meaning in what you do? You can watch a video on the person in 3b going to his son’s graduation, or think about the medical device you are delivering - just block out what the perv in 3a is going to do, or what he ordered online to do it with.
Why doesn’t UPS give things to the pilots out of the kindness of their hearts? Because that’s not the system you all created. They give you a paycheck. You don’t get rewarded unless you put it in the contract, everything is negotiated, so everything is a bargaining chip. Besides that, everything that one labor group gets has consequences for every other labor groups. I can’t image why anyone would get the impression that the folks in the leather jackets aren’t special.
I’m so tired of this drum beat that we know what is best for this immensely complex operation. I’m sick of hearing about all the mistakes the company has made, and the dire straits we are in now because of it. Maybe, just maybe, the company had a goal of making billions of dollars a year. Perhaps they had that goal in mind as they proceeded to make billions of dollars a year. Parking airplanes, short on pilots, etc etc....I have to assume that those are the consequences of focusing resources where the actual people that run the company thought they needed to be focused. Bottom line, as a pilot, I have no idea how anything works, and don’t claim to. I’m probably wrong though, since the CEOs of Southwest, Delta, United are all....wait, check that, they are all money guys - not pilots. I’m not saying the union is wrong, or UPS is right, I’m saying that we have such a small lens to look through that the whole idea we know what deserves priority attention in such a vast and complex network is ridiculous. I know, I know, “UPS makes money in spite of itself.” That’s such a dumb statement that I believe it to be true for anyone that says it to me.
I think this job is great. They pay me well to do it. It is not fulfilling in a way that the military or a firefighting job might be, but I knew that going in. Those jobs are out there, and (oh no, here it comes) if you want some say at UPS you can go to management. Non-standard within the airline industry, but certainly not non-standard, you can’t come back once you choose that path. Say what you will, I believe some of them care and are working to make incremental improvements. Some of them suck. Just like any other company I have ever seen, just like some union pilots I’ve met.
Bottom line, the hardest part about working here is the whining. The company doesn’t hate you, they are indifferent to you. Of course I want more pilots and more airplanes....but I can’t say for certain that I want those things because I think they would be better for UPS. It may be because I want things to be better for me. That also might not be the best place to be (bloated and overmanned) during an economic downturn. Some of my points probably didn’t come across the way I intended, just remember all rebuttals must begin with “I know what is best for a multi billion dollar corporation because I’m a pilot.”
We fly the planes, this expectation that we should be something more to UPS is laughable. We are in the red column, right there next to maintenance, loaders, and tugs. As soon as they can eliminate us, or make us cheaper, they will. Before you get your feelings hurt, the only difference between UPS and any other company is they don’t try to fool us into thinking otherwise. If you want to make a lot of money because you want to work hard for a company you think LUVs you....do it. If you want to make a lot of money complaining about a company that pays you a lot of money, you can do that to. Either way a robot will replace you just as soon as it is technologically and economically feasible. Lots of companies loved their employees right up to the day they moved the factory to China.
Looking for meaning in what you do? You can watch a video on the person in 3b going to his son’s graduation, or think about the medical device you are delivering - just block out what the perv in 3a is going to do, or what he ordered online to do it with.
Why doesn’t UPS give things to the pilots out of the kindness of their hearts? Because that’s not the system you all created. They give you a paycheck. You don’t get rewarded unless you put it in the contract, everything is negotiated, so everything is a bargaining chip. Besides that, everything that one labor group gets has consequences for every other labor groups. I can’t image why anyone would get the impression that the folks in the leather jackets aren’t special.
I’m so tired of this drum beat that we know what is best for this immensely complex operation. I’m sick of hearing about all the mistakes the company has made, and the dire straits we are in now because of it. Maybe, just maybe, the company had a goal of making billions of dollars a year. Perhaps they had that goal in mind as they proceeded to make billions of dollars a year. Parking airplanes, short on pilots, etc etc....I have to assume that those are the consequences of focusing resources where the actual people that run the company thought they needed to be focused. Bottom line, as a pilot, I have no idea how anything works, and don’t claim to. I’m probably wrong though, since the CEOs of Southwest, Delta, United are all....wait, check that, they are all money guys - not pilots. I’m not saying the union is wrong, or UPS is right, I’m saying that we have such a small lens to look through that the whole idea we know what deserves priority attention in such a vast and complex network is ridiculous. I know, I know, “UPS makes money in spite of itself.” That’s such a dumb statement that I believe it to be true for anyone that says it to me.
I think this job is great. They pay me well to do it. It is not fulfilling in a way that the military or a firefighting job might be, but I knew that going in. Those jobs are out there, and (oh no, here it comes) if you want some say at UPS you can go to management. Non-standard within the airline industry, but certainly not non-standard, you can’t come back once you choose that path. Say what you will, I believe some of them care and are working to make incremental improvements. Some of them suck. Just like any other company I have ever seen, just like some union pilots I’ve met.
Bottom line, the hardest part about working here is the whining. The company doesn’t hate you, they are indifferent to you. Of course I want more pilots and more airplanes....but I can’t say for certain that I want those things because I think they would be better for UPS. It may be because I want things to be better for me. That also might not be the best place to be (bloated and overmanned) during an economic downturn. Some of my points probably didn’t come across the way I intended, just remember all rebuttals must begin with “I know what is best for a multi billion dollar corporation because I’m a pilot.”
02-14-2019, 01:59 PM
#255
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 5
Originally Posted by fightandflight
What a bubble people live in.
We fly the planes, this expectation that we should be something more to UPS is laughable. We are in the red column, right there next to maintenance, loaders, and tugs. As soon as they can eliminate us, or make us cheaper, they will. Before you get your feelings hurt, the only difference between UPS and any other company is they don’t try to fool us into thinking otherwise. If you want to make a lot of money because you want to work hard for a company you think LUVs you....do it. If you want to make a lot of money complaining about a company that pays you a lot of money, you can do that to. Either way a robot will replace you just as soon as it is technologically and economically feasible. Lots of companies loved their employees right up to the day they moved the factory to China.
Looking for meaning in what you do? You can watch a video on the person in 3b going to his son’s graduation, or think about the medical device you are delivering - just block out what the perv in 3a is going to do, or what he ordered online to do it with.
Why doesn’t UPS give things to the pilots out of the kindness of their hearts? Because that’s not the system you all created. They give you a paycheck. You don’t get rewarded unless you put it in the contract, everything is negotiated, so everything is a bargaining chip. Besides that, everything that one labor group gets has consequences for every other labor groups. I can’t image why anyone would get the impression that the folks in the leather jackets aren’t special.
I’m so tired of this drum beat that we know what is best for this immensely complex operation. I’m sick of hearing about all the mistakes the company has made, and the dire straits we are in now because of it. Maybe, just maybe, the company had a goal of making billions of dollars a year. Perhaps they had that goal in mind as they proceeded to make billions of dollars a year. Parking airplanes, short on pilots, etc etc....I have to assume that those are the consequences of focusing resources where the actual people that run the company thought they needed to be focused. Bottom line, as a pilot, I have no idea how anything works, and don’t claim to. I’m probably wrong though, since the CEOs of Southwest, Delta, United are all....wait, check that, they are all money guys - not pilots. I’m not saying the union is wrong, or UPS is right, I’m saying that we have such a small lens to look through that the whole idea we know what deserves priority attention in such a vast and complex network is ridiculous. I know, I know, “UPS makes money in spite of itself.” That’s such a dumb statement that I believe it to be true for anyone that says it to me.
I think this job is great. They pay me well to do it. It is not fulfilling in a way that the military or a firefighting job might be, but I knew that going in. Those jobs are out there, and (oh no, here it comes) if you want some say at UPS you can go to management. Non-standard within the airline industry, but certainly not non-standard, you can’t come back once you choose that path. Say what you will, I believe some of them care and are working to make incremental improvements. Some of them suck. Just like any other company I have ever seen, just like some union pilots I’ve met.
Bottom line, the hardest part about working here is the whining. The company doesn’t hate you, they are indifferent to you. Of course I want more pilots and more airplanes....but I can’t say for certain that I want those things because I think they would be better for UPS. It may be because I want things to be better for me. That also might not be the best place to be (bloated and overmanned) during an economic downturn. Some of my points probably didn’t come across the way I intended, just remember all rebuttals must begin with “I know what is best for a multi billion dollar corporation because I’m a pilot.”
We fly the planes, this expectation that we should be something more to UPS is laughable. We are in the red column, right there next to maintenance, loaders, and tugs. As soon as they can eliminate us, or make us cheaper, they will. Before you get your feelings hurt, the only difference between UPS and any other company is they don’t try to fool us into thinking otherwise. If you want to make a lot of money because you want to work hard for a company you think LUVs you....do it. If you want to make a lot of money complaining about a company that pays you a lot of money, you can do that to. Either way a robot will replace you just as soon as it is technologically and economically feasible. Lots of companies loved their employees right up to the day they moved the factory to China.
Looking for meaning in what you do? You can watch a video on the person in 3b going to his son’s graduation, or think about the medical device you are delivering - just block out what the perv in 3a is going to do, or what he ordered online to do it with.
Why doesn’t UPS give things to the pilots out of the kindness of their hearts? Because that’s not the system you all created. They give you a paycheck. You don’t get rewarded unless you put it in the contract, everything is negotiated, so everything is a bargaining chip. Besides that, everything that one labor group gets has consequences for every other labor groups. I can’t image why anyone would get the impression that the folks in the leather jackets aren’t special.
I’m so tired of this drum beat that we know what is best for this immensely complex operation. I’m sick of hearing about all the mistakes the company has made, and the dire straits we are in now because of it. Maybe, just maybe, the company had a goal of making billions of dollars a year. Perhaps they had that goal in mind as they proceeded to make billions of dollars a year. Parking airplanes, short on pilots, etc etc....I have to assume that those are the consequences of focusing resources where the actual people that run the company thought they needed to be focused. Bottom line, as a pilot, I have no idea how anything works, and don’t claim to. I’m probably wrong though, since the CEOs of Southwest, Delta, United are all....wait, check that, they are all money guys - not pilots. I’m not saying the union is wrong, or UPS is right, I’m saying that we have such a small lens to look through that the whole idea we know what deserves priority attention in such a vast and complex network is ridiculous. I know, I know, “UPS makes money in spite of itself.” That’s such a dumb statement that I believe it to be true for anyone that says it to me.
I think this job is great. They pay me well to do it. It is not fulfilling in a way that the military or a firefighting job might be, but I knew that going in. Those jobs are out there, and (oh no, here it comes) if you want some say at UPS you can go to management. Non-standard within the airline industry, but certainly not non-standard, you can’t come back once you choose that path. Say what you will, I believe some of them care and are working to make incremental improvements. Some of them suck. Just like any other company I have ever seen, just like some union pilots I’ve met.
Bottom line, the hardest part about working here is the whining. The company doesn’t hate you, they are indifferent to you. Of course I want more pilots and more airplanes....but I can’t say for certain that I want those things because I think they would be better for UPS. It may be because I want things to be better for me. That also might not be the best place to be (bloated and overmanned) during an economic downturn. Some of my points probably didn’t come across the way I intended, just remember all rebuttals must begin with “I know what is best for a multi billion dollar corporation because I’m a pilot.”
This is the first thing I have read on APC in my time at UPS that makes sense. Thank you for speaking some truths. It’s a job, and nothing more. They pay us great money and no one I know who are line pilots have ever been assaulted, beaten or anything close by a non-union UPS employee. There are plenty of people in this world that one could hate, so why waste time saying “I hate UPS” and other stupid comments some bitter of pilots say on the B&G. Go to work, get paid, and go home. That’s all they require. Enjoy your time off or pick up trips on your days off, I don’t care. All I know is this “horrible” company pays us every two weeks, on time, and good money. I got no hatred for them. If I did, I would quit...maybe some of these bitter guys should consider.
It’s a great job to have. But that’s what it is, It’s a job. Not a vacation. It beats another season in fill-in-the-blank-a-stan....
02-14-2019, 02:17 PM
#256
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 90
Fightandflight gets it.
At the hazard of re-posting an old thread, maybe some of the current applicants haven’t read it because it’s buried.
Airline 101: An airline doesn’t exist for a pilots benefit.
We are all very lucky to be wherever we are. And UPS is certainly one of them.
Keep the faith. This is UPS. Their circus their monkeys. And we are the IPA. And that’s just the way UPS likes it. Do your job and go home.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/c...-work-ups.html
At the hazard of re-posting an old thread, maybe some of the current applicants haven’t read it because it’s buried.
Airline 101: An airline doesn’t exist for a pilots benefit.
We are all very lucky to be wherever we are. And UPS is certainly one of them.
Keep the faith. This is UPS. Their circus their monkeys. And we are the IPA. And that’s just the way UPS likes it. Do your job and go home.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/c...-work-ups.html
02-14-2019, 03:21 PM
#257
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,504
Airline pilots and enlisted folks have been solving the problems of the world (management, leadership, etc.) for DECADES before UPS started operating airplanes.
None of this is new under the sun or *remotely* unique to brown polyester.
None of this is new under the sun or *remotely* unique to brown polyester.
02-14-2019, 03:45 PM
#258
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 90
And I disagree with Boilerup on not reading the BG. I always recommend to the new hires I fly with to read it. There’s a lot of truths to be found not only procedurally/operationally. But there is a lot of philosophy imparted (again sifting through the perpetual naysayers) in dealing with UPS. Young pilots (interns in particular), with no airline experience, and those directly out of the military, have little idea what it’s like to fly the line. But they all learn quickly. And the BG is a place for that learning.
No matter what I type text or talk, your education will start when you get hired. Anyone serious and qualified pilot that doesn’t actively seek UPS pilot employment doesn’t have a clue.
No matter what I type text or talk, your education will start when you get hired. Anyone serious and qualified pilot that doesn’t actively seek UPS pilot employment doesn’t have a clue.
02-14-2019, 05:40 PM
#259
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 306
Originally Posted by G550Guy
Now who can argue with that? I think we’re all indebted to Fightandflight for clearly stating what needed to be said. I’m particularly glad that these lovely young wannabe pilots were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic Cargo Pilot gibberish, It expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.
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02-14-2019, 07:10 PM
#260
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 299
Originally Posted by flyphisher
And I disagree with Boilerup on not reading the BG. I always recommend to the new hires I fly with to read it. There’s a lot of truths to be found not only procedurally/operationally. But there is a lot of philosophy imparted (again sifting through the perpetual naysayers) in dealing with UPS. Young pilots (interns in particular), with no airline experience, and those directly out of the military, have little idea what it’s like to fly the line. But they all learn quickly. And the BG is a place for that learning.
No matter what I type text or talk, your education will start when you get hired. Anyone serious and qualified pilot that doesn’t actively seek UPS pilot employment doesn’t have a clue.
No matter what I type text or talk, your education will start when you get hired. Anyone serious and qualified pilot that doesn’t actively seek UPS pilot employment doesn’t have a clue.
Boiler is right, don’t read the BNG. It’ll give you false prophets with faulty logic.
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