UPS 2019 Hiring
 

Company announced today its plans to hire between 275-300 pilots in 2019.

No news of any additional aircraft acquisitions, route expansions, or any base changes, ie. SDF 747 domicile. MD continues to ween itself out of ANC.

Best of luck to all.

That is great news. I hope I'm one of the fortunate ones!

Training Center?
 

I heard the 747 training pipeline is really backed up (reading posts online). Is there any news about it getting better? Is there a new 747 training center opening soon to help the flow with so many new hires coming in?

AFAIK....

1. True
2. No
3. The Sprague is the new sim center in SDF, not 74 specific.

The good news is that 747 new hires are almost off probation by the time they finish IOE. Any hiccup in training and it’s a 6 month process

Interviewed last June, but was not offered a position.

Should I reapply?
Any suggestions on how I could improve my chances of being hired?

Can you provide any information on what creditials UPS is looking for in new hires?

No simple answer as we hire pilots from literally every possible background one could imagine. Men and women, young and old, white, black, grey, different nationalities, military, civilian and/or mixed backgrounds. Heavy jet operators (Emirates, Atlas, Kalitta, etc.), regional pilots (Republic, Skywest, etc.) or §135/91 pilots who flew long-range private jets (Gulfstream 650s, Falconjets,..) etc., etc., etc...

You are asking “should I reapply”? Well, a much better question would’ve been - ‘will you ever get hired if you don’t?’
Have you ever been turned down before? Guess what, many of us have. You’re not the first one nor will you be the last one.
Timing, luck but most of all, perseverance is how many of us got where we wanted to be.
One thing is certain - if you simply give up you’ll always regret it because you’ll always wonder if you’d have succeeded at some point?

Search our threads and you’ll find numerous stories from guys and gals who were rejected. Many over and over again but they kept trying. Many of them wear our uniforms today. Not all of them. Some ended up elsewhere BUT they kept trying and today they’re content knowing they tried their best.
If your user name implies your age you’ve got all kinds of time ahead of you.
Without knowing any specifics of your career it’s hard to give you advice. However, YES, you should re-apply.
Good luck to you!!

PS. My reply is meant for all of you who tried but didn’t make it. NEVER GIVE UP!
Wish you all the best!!!

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They aren’t budging often, if ever, on 1000 hours tpic I think it says “preferred” but it’s pretty much mandatory.

Research the company’s core values for guidance but it’s pretty much the same as everywhere else: a full resume. This implies lots of activity beyond just flying the line. Leadership positions, volunteer work, graduate degree, etc. UPS likes higher time folks with heavy and/or international experience. Definitely reapply if you want the gig.

I recall some people asking if having previous ups experience, as say a driver or package handler, would help with getting on as a pilot. Well, I was flipping through the seniority list and noticed a decent amount of new hires (last 3 years) with employee numbers not in-line with their fellow classmates - previous UPS employees...? Anyone got any intel on this?

I was wondering the same thing.

I know one former driver hired in the last 2 years - easy to think that this is viewed in a positive light when you learn about the culture of hiring from within. I doubt this is the easiest path....but then again, that is likely another reason it is viewed so favorably. Probably not a lot of people working at UPS trying to earn their ratings so they can one day fly for Southwest.

Had a couple in my class and know of a few others -- all of them were package handlers.

In a previous life I owned a UPS Store and my interview centered around my experiences providing customer service at that store. I believe it was a deciding factor in getting hired.

I asked around and heard of a couple of guys who threw boxes and 1 who drove a package car...

Flew with a guy last month that had worked as a ground guy for a while before taking up aviation. I don't think he went to work on the ground side to get a leg up on an airline job later, but I doubt that it hurt.

I recently had a friend interview that was sent to do his drug testing immediately following the interview. He was not given a CJO (yet). When I interviewed, the drug testing was after the CJO....has anyone else heard of going immediately after the interview?

I'm sure this is standard practice almost everywhere.

Company bid with 180 new vacancies just came out yesterday!

Good news for sure. Tons of grow on 747 for FO slots.

Additional Note: ANC MD11 base continues to dwindle. Displacement bid announce with the vacancy bid.


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That’s for Jan 1 to July 14. Hopefully the same number for the second half of 2019......

Those will be for the vacancies created by the A330’s arrival.....

Well they better get to building em....we dont hire until after the plane arrives.

Interview
 

Based on availability, when is UPS bringing folks out for interview (3 mos, 6 mos)? Will internal recs help decrease that time? Interaction at an Expo?

Not sure what you’re asking with Q1. They are and have been consistently interviewing. I’ve heard reports of people with interviews in January 2019.

Q2. Internal Recs: I think the jury is still out on that one. However, in the past a large majority had letters.

Q3. Job fair experiences have mixed results from what I’ve read on these threads.

Keep in mind that the hiring team was revamped back in the summer so we don’t really know how they are running things now. C’mon recent new hires, pay it forward with some intel...

Its Peak, they're too busy ;)

Attending a job fair was crucial I believe in getting further in the process.

Attending a job fair was key for me as well. I wouldn't be here without it.

+1 .

Job fair is crucial. However, the caveat to that is you must be marketable for what they are looking for (which is a moving target). When I was hired a couple years ago most of my classmates had attended a job fair. Civilian range of hours was 8000-9000 total with about 2500 TPIC. Military was significantly less but 99% were refueling aircraft. There are always exceptions to every hiring numeric parameter. But in general, be in the ballpark of what they are looking for and attend a job fair (or two).

So what I’m gathering is if you want the best shot for an interview, have:

1. Heavy time,
2. International experience (at least some)
3. TT 8,000+
4. Internal recs
5. Job fair attendance
6. Military

However, note the class that started last week had:
3/8 corporate,
1 ABX,
4/8 military (Go Navy!!!).

All got 75/76 SDF. Half got Z (intl), half got domestic. 1 navy guy got domestic, the other intl. 2 coprporate guys got intl, ABX guy got domestic.

Previous class in early November was:
2 military,
1 corporate,
1 from Cathay, atlas, and Omni.

All awarded airbus.

Looks like there are two Jan classes. One on 4th and another on 29th. System bid closes Monday so we should have an idea of what fleet they could expect shortly after. That’s all the intel I got. A330 rumor seems to be drying up.

Not really. Have all of this with 10k and 2500 TPIC, HVY Intl time on MD-11 and 747-400/-8, 6 internals and 3 job fairs...one where DT himself told me all I needed to do now was pass the Hogan, but I never saw it.

Airline HR in charge of hiring is the biggest disaster I've seen in 19 years of this industry. My 16' and 17' apps are still active, but I got a TBNT for my 2018 app in June.:confused:

I can promise that posts like this don't increase your chances of being hired. Not sure what your post history is or if they linked you to it but this could very well prevent you getting a call.

While I understand your frustration and agree that your perspective has some truth to it, if your sense of entitlement and mild narcissism came across in your application and/or job fair then that could be a very real reason you haven’t gotten a call. They like humility and folks who think (or convincingly present an image of) there is no better place than UPS. The, “look how good I am; better hire me before your competitors do,” attitude is worse than a dui. Not saying this applies to you but food for thought going forward....

Best of luck.

Really, what in my statement implies that I'm either of those. Just facts, to rebut the prior post to what qualifications give you the best shot for an interview. I have always been nothing but humble at these job fairs and expect NOTHING to be given to me. I have no ego about my experience and would have no idea how to even get that across on an application. Always been kind and respectful to those whose job it is and volunteer their time to let us speak to them at the job fairs. I even went back the second day of the last one i attended, when there was no line at UPS to express my interest again and ask if they had any recommendations for me to make myself more competitive.

Okay, so maybe not a disaster, but sure isn't what it used to be when your experience and recommendations used to mean something.

Seems to be some hyper sensitivity when someone post something that is reality, but may not be glowing about the hiring process. Didn't mean to offend you guys.

This:
*added by me. If you reread my post more carefully you’ll see I was suggesting vs accusing.
Moving on...
Consider from a different perspective that this ^ may not be true...

You didn’t offend anyone and sorry if you feel we are being oversensitive. I think it’s clear we are on here to help you guys learn more about the gig and get the job. In your case I merely offered an idea as to why you aren’t getting any interest. You say I’m wrong on that. Ok. The other thing I noticed is that you have 10K hours over 19 years in this industry. That’s 526 hours per year. For comparison I had about 800per year, 42% more. So, were you just sitting around on reserve hoping to not get called or were you doing training, union work, check airman stuff, etc. Brown loves evidence of consistent hard work ethic. Perhaps it’s this and not a disfunctional hiring dept overlooking your resume...?

All your other points aside, can anyone say if the interviewers/HR actually appreciate union time? I’m apprehensive to list union volunteering on a resume or mention it in a interview should I be lucky enough to get to that point...

There are plenty of union programs that have amicable working relationships with airline management (HIMS, Pro Stands, FOQA, etc.). I’m willing to bet that my experience running one of these programs played a part in getting hired. When I talked to DT at a job fair a couple years ago he made it pretty clear he was a big fan of my union work.

It shows a lot if you’re willing to do extra work to help other pilots without getting any extra compensation for it. I sure didn’t try to hide my union work, and I don’t think anyone should.

I would say that is your opinion. 500 hours vs 800 hours per year? Pretty sure they don’t care since a lot of pilot at UPS fly less than 400 per year.

Like yours, just my opinion