FTv3

It’s your business until the rest of us have to deal with you showing up to a flight unnecessarily tired from poor sleep caused by “your business”, a ‘lets just get this day over with,’ attitude towards your work, nodding off mid cruise completely oblivious to even which country you are flying over much less any hint of a fire field lingering in that not hung over head of yours, etc. Not saying I haven’t had a big night on a layover, esp in CGN, but if after a couple of times you don’t find yourself saying that that wasn’t smart, not gunna do that again, consider you may have a maturity problem, a professionalism problem, or a legitimate alcohol one.

All it would take is 1 bad PR event for the company to make a quick swipe of the pen banning alcohol on any company related activity -> overnights. We already put our non-rev benefits in jeopardy, let’s not dick this one up. You wanna party like a rock star? Go buy an electric guitar and leather pants. Brown ones if you want relive old pilot memories.

G550Guy

Well Johnny Cochran... you are WRONG.

Go read the FARs and about 40 years of case law before yapping your trap. Here’s just one small example of something called “google it”

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Employers may have a legitimate business interest in ensuring that employees are not impaired during work; however, they generally do not have a legitimate business interest in regulating an employee’s conduct outside of work. When dealing with alcohol and alcoholism there are a few things that employers should remember:

1. Employers can prohibit employees from using, being impaired by or possessing alcohol in the workplace – i.e. have a drug and alcohol free workplace policy.

2. Alcoholism is a protected disability under the ADA

3. The ADA specifically allows employers to hold alcoholics to the same performance and conduct standards as other employees.

4. Employers can discipline/terminate employees for performance or conduct, in the same manner as other employees, even if the employee claims the performance or conduct was due to alcoholism.

5. Last Chance Agreements can be used to require an employee to get substance abuse treatment, avoid further workplace problems, be tested for alcohol and not violate the company drug and alcohol policy. However, it should steer clear of any prohibition on alcohol use outside of work.
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The purchase and consumption of alcoholic beverages are legal for humans over 21 in the USA and 18 in most of Europe. An individual is required to make personal judgments in regards to operating motor vehicles or machinery when impaired by alcohol consumption. Furthermore most countries have clearly defined limits on blood alcohol levels. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Several high profile cases of airline pilots coming to work above the legal limit have made the news throughout the years. Not one carrier has ever banned legally drinking while off duty... mainly because they can’t even if they wanted too.

And you need to check yourself with the “you” comments directed towards me. I never condoned or offered an excuse for coming to work drunk. You don’t know this guy, and neither do I. So have a little compassion because you don’t anything about this particular issue.... which is obvious from the way you are pontificating.


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navigatro

they could change the FOM to say "no alcohol within 48 hours of flight"

liftr92

I don’t think the actuaries would want the pilot group that healthy- think of the increased cost of retirement spending if all the brown guys were well rested, CrossFit enthusiasts, and enjoyed a true health vegan diet. The company would be CH. 11 inside 12 years with all the upcoming retirements.

FTv3

Yes, I do know this guy. And the commentary was directed at guys like you vs. you specifically.
Well then, drink up Johnny!

Seatwarmer

Certainly some self proclaimed experts on this subject.

maddogmax

When I was hired at NWA in early ‘85, the company policy was no drinking alcohol while on a trip, including layovers. After the merger with Republic, NWA adopted their 12 hr. bottle to throttle policy. I saw much more drinking, many times to excess, before the merger than after. When one is given specific guidelines without fear of reprisal they are much more likely to follow the guidelines.

Vito

“however, they generally do not have a legitimate business interest in regulating an employee’s conduct outside of work.”

Don’t you think an employer can reason that an employee is NOT “outside of work” on a layover where said employer is paying for hotel, per diet etc..I wonder if that case can be made by lawyers?

USMCFLYR

I took him as meaning that he was as toast until the Union stepped in and got him/her into HIMS (and I’m sure the person was glad). I don’t know anything about HIMS, but I was under the impression that if you got caught, as this person was caught, you were done. Learning here some say different here.

Not sure about that last chance stuff but in the gov’t (at least in safety sensitive positions) if you get in trouble they can/and do have you sign an abstinence agreement and if they catch doing it after - you are fired.

Boris Badenov

The future is hilarious. All of the Acmihaulics can't get hired at UPS, so it's 2000 hour wonders as far as the eye can see, and once they start upgrading, the supplemental pirate scum can see two or three of the burnt out hulks of "tier 1" operators in the landing phase, as they're plotting how to get to the next bar most tout suite.