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Old 05-30-2019, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 767pilot View Post
So you are saying that people have been dragged into Camp Knoxville without their consent, against their own will? How does that happen without a court order?

I will agree that there has been what some may consider coercion and threats in the past, but I am going to be surprised if you tell me that people have gone in against their ultimate wishes. I'd expect a pretty low success rate from people going in that didn't want to be there, to the point where UPS would not be wrong to refuse to pay for them.
My understanding (from flying with the company HIMS guru)... If a pilot is referred to HIMS, an employer can, should, and will ground them until they at least get an evaluation to confirm or deny a problem. If a problem is confirmed, you would then enter HIMS with full associated protections per your company program. If you don't want to do that, I guess you'll have to fight it out with FAA aeromedical.

If you really don't have a problem, HIMS can determine that too and I assume full back pay would apply. But if you got referred in the first place, you probably exhibited some indiscreet behavior to say the least...

Invasive? Maybe, but it's for the individual's own protection, as well as fellow crew and the public.

At the previous employer, if you got caught, HIMS was still an option at least as far as treatment goes. Whether you got your job back was another thing, also depends on the status of your medical and certs of course. Obviously your prospects are much, much better if you get help before you get caught.
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Vito View Post
Don’t you think an employer can reason that an employee is NOT “outside of work” on a layover where said employer is paying for hotel, per diet etc..I wonder if that case can be made by lawyers?

Honestly I don’t know. I’m sure a legal team could and would argue a definition in the best interest of their respective party. FARs clearly define rest requirements and crew member obligations to their employer while in rest. The company can try and contact you, but you can’t be disciplined if they can’t reach you.

If a company is given the legal right to control alcohol consumption while on a layover to protect their best interests... what’s to stop them from denying a crew member the ability to:

-take a paragliding lesson.
-hike a mountain top with steep cliffs
-rent a Porsche 911 and go 185MPH on the autobahn
-rent Harley’s and drive through downtown Detroit with no helmets on.
-go for a submarine underwater water excursion trip in Hawaii.
-ride mules down the Grand Canyon
-go white water rafting
-run with the Bulls in Spain

All of these activities could be extremely dangerous and could easily impact flights if a crew member got hurt.

As for hotels... we are under no obligation to use the provided room. We can hope a train, bus, plane or scooter and go wherever we like, you just better be back at showtime.

When anyone in life makes a bad decision and the consequences are catastrophic... it stinks. His family, friends and coworkers all suffer a sadness from seeing someone jeopardize their career. But just because one person takes a huge poo in their pants, doesn’t mean everyone they work with has to wear diapers.




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Old 05-30-2019, 09:29 PM
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Old 05-31-2019, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by G550Guy View Post
If a company is given the legal right to control alcohol consumption while on a layover to protect their best interests... what’s to stop them from denying a crew member the ability to:

-take a paragliding lesson.
-hike a mountain top with steep cliffs
-rent a Porsche 911 and go 185MPH on the autobahn
-rent Harley’s and drive through downtown Detroit with no helmets on.
-go for a submarine underwater water excursion trip in Hawaii.
-ride mules down the Grand Canyon
-go white water rafting
-run with the Bulls in Spain

All of these activities could be extremely dangerous and could easily impact flights if a crew member got hurt.
All true...and as you know the military could do those things. Different situations of course; I'm just drawing a parallel between a person being a valuable asset to the company and what being unavailable (to fly in this case) might mean/cost the **company**.

As for hotels... we are under no obligation to use the provided room. We can hope a train, bus, plane or scooter and go wherever we like, you just better be back at showtime.
Will you have to pay for a different room if you aren't staying at the airline contracted location (or provided space?) What if the hotel van takes the crew to one hotel, bot the crew member wants to stay at another hotel and gets some sort of transportation that costs; will the company pick up that *extra* transportation cost? We sometimes find situations like that.

When anyone in life makes a bad decision and the consequences are catastrophic... it stinks. His family, friends and coworkers all suffer a sadness from seeing someone jeopardize their career. But just because one person takes a huge poo in their pants, doesn’t mean everyone they work with has to wear diapers.
Agreed....but it is becoming the new norm along with many other mind boggling things
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Old 05-31-2019, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR View Post
Will you have to pay for a different room if you aren't staying at the airline contracted location (or provided space?)

Yes. A crew member can refuse a hotel room based off of extenuating circumstances… But there’s a procedure in place that must be followed in order to change hotels and then be reimbursed later. This doesn’t normally happen.

If a crew member decides to take a road trip, go to their house, stay with a friend, or whatever... the cost for doing so is on them. We are requested to cancel our rooms if our intent is to not use it.

As for transportation... protocol says one vehicle for the entire crew, airport to contracted hotel or airline terminal. That’s it. No stops or drop offs in between.


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