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Old 06-22-2019, 10:08 PM
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They hired folks old enough to ensure a continuation.

Yep... I’m one of them.




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Old 06-22-2019, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog View Post
Wont ratify without continuation and better.
UPS knows the demographics. They hired folks old enough to ensure a continuation.
Salty, I hope you’re right. However, I think UPS knows our ‘demographics’ better than we do.
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Old 06-23-2019, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer View Post
Salty, I hope you’re right. However, I think UPS knows our ‘demographics’ better than we do.
As of the Feb 19 IPA Growth and Attrition report, 8% of the pilot group was under the age of 40 while 54% of the pilot group was between the ages of 50 and 59.

I would submit even the 'kids' in the group are steadfast in support of maintaining/improving the FDA defined benefit.
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Old 06-23-2019, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer View Post
Salty, I hope you’re right. However, I think UPS knows our ‘demographics’ better than we do.
Both parties know the demographic on Retirement. Vast majority of pilots are over 45. Even the new hires. UPS has their reasons, but the flip side is they have set up a pilot group that demands that DBP continue to improve. Demographics are set: Overwhelming number of voters will not ratify as over 45 in age are super majority of next voters. An absolute pitch negotiation, not easy, but it will continue. A significant goal will be to keep only those on property with a DBP and no DBP for those not yet hired. Just like the old B scale in the industry they will want to turn the DBP off with the "not yet hired" approach.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:30 AM
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I am a bit perplexed why UPS continues to hire “older” folks, unlike Delta, United, Fedex, which tend to hire younger.

I would say they are making the problem worse with the pilot shortage, by hiring younger the operator locks in a longer period of time the pilot will serve, therefore not falling into the same problem in the future.

Obviously we don’t have the UPS magic ball, but any opinions?
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by howardhughes8 View Post

Obviously we don’t have the UPS magic ball, but any opinions?
UPS is not for the young and weak
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:31 AM
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UPS is not for the young and weak

Ain’t that the truth!!
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by howardhughes8 View Post
I am a bit perplexed why UPS continues to hire “older” folks, unlike Delta, United, Fedex, which tend to hire younger.

I would say they are making the problem worse with the pilot shortage, by hiring younger the operator locks in a longer period of time the pilot will serve, therefore not falling into the same problem in the future.

Obviously we don’t have the UPS magic ball, but any opinions?
when you still have to pay for an A plan, it makes sense.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:19 AM
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Most “younger” pilots (<40 and definitely <35) want to be at Delta and United because its more of what they know if coming from the regional world, and many younger pilots have been scared away from UPS because of posts right here on APC.

I’d also surmise many see the retirement waves happening at DAL/UAL/AAL/FDX and want in on that, rather than our own massive wave that starts in earnest a few years later than the others.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:57 AM
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The grass is always greener. Or you are trying to improve your current QOL as opposed to pay. That’s why a 12 yr UPS pilot left to come to VX even before the AS merger announcement.
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