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Old 07-22-2019, 12:49 PM   #1  
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FedEx has the CGN base but I have heard that UPS guys are doing something similar on their own accord. How do you guys make it work? Bid trips with a eu deadhead on either end?
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I don’t think we have anyone truly living there, ie., as residents of Germany or another EU country. We have a couple of guys who “visit family” and spend a ton of time over there but maintain US residence. The FedEx guys have a special deal with the German govt and can only do 5 years. Ask on their threads for more details.

If you are going to spend significant time in Europe and commute from there you basically want to bid the Z and have good seniority on it. Lots of DH’s and CML dh’s back and forth over the pond and weekend layovers in CGN. The Z does a lot of 2 week trips that essentially do night hub turns out of CGN with day layovers in about 10 different EU cities; CGN layovers over the weekend. The whale and the MD also flow through CGN but not nearly as much as the 76Z.

If you’re on another fleet then you will be commuting. With the MD withdrawal from intl flying, more and more flights to and from SDF / CGN are on the Z - unfortunately you will find problems JS’ing on that unless they have the pod sleeper. Otherwise, on the MD and whale there are a lot of DH’s going back and forth which it makes it more difficult. You can also go on a 2
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Totally doable with seniority and some smart bidding.
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I don’t think we have anyone truly living there, ie., as residents of Germany or another EU country.

I’ve taken the Swedish guy back and forth several times. He/his wife and kids all live in Sweden. I’ve also taken the Greek guy back once. He lives in Athens. I think both of them are naturalized American citizens who just moved back to Europe. I’ve never asked personal questions about their status though.

You could physically live there, problem is going to be if you ever come up on their radar for any reason, you’ll have some explaining to do. Outside of work (flying trips there), American citizens are only allowed 90 consecutive days in an EU country. I believe you would have to maintain an American address somehow for employment purposes and tax filing, but I could be wrong.

Without being able to hold a line that had DHs on the front or back of the trips... that commute would get old, QUICK!


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I know of 2 living in Ireland.
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As I said, they don’t live (reside) there, they reside in the US but visit frequently....

There was a guy that recently did a year abroad in Spain with his family, he commuted back to SDF when he couldn’t get trips with DH’s. Not bad at all from what he said but he also had decent seniority.

I read a thread on the B&G about direct deposit stuff - guys in the Philippines were complaining that UPS doesn’t direct deposit into a non US banking account. I think there were using HSBC...? I doubt UPS would accept a foreign address either but if they did then you’d be liable for taxes over there.

Overall, it’s a whole big can of worms and sure to be a pain at times but doable if you want to adventure yourself. FedEx might be an easier option...
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One is definitly a swede living full time in Sweden, and one that I know is an Irishman living in Dublin with wife and kids. We had an American with an English wife living there for a while until he retired. He's probably still there.
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The guy in Sweden and the 2 in Ireland do live there full time. I’ve flown with all three of them.
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We also have a guy that commutes from South Africa, another that was in Singapore for a while. The Philippine crowd. From a tax perspective they are all US based residents. What they do and where they go on their days off is their business. Capisce?
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Had a guy that commuted from south Africa. Medical, probably won't be back.
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