September 10th Class
 

If you are also in the September 10th class, please send me a pm. Thanks!

PM sent, see you in a couple weeks.

Congrats and welcome aboard!

Thank you and I’m glad to join the team.

I really appreciate all the people on these forums from every airline. Y’all have helped me make an informed decision on where I want to be when I retire. My hats off to y’all, a sincere thank you.

Sounds like this might well be an all narrow body group based on today's domicile news. Interesting times we live in

We don’t have “narrow body” only pilots at UPS.

I think he means the light twins...

Welcome onboard everyone!

(2) 747, (3) 757 SDF, (4) A300 and (5) 757 ONT, for a total of 14 new hires is what’s projected. Welcome aboard everyone!

Is it back to everyone starting on the same day?

No idea. I just know that’s the proposed drop

Any idea how long the class waited in the pool on average? Or who swam the longest in the class? This is a very intriguing statistic and it's not because I'm in the pool:)

Indeed an intriguing stat. It will be interesting to see how long UPS will maintain a delayed hiring pool as others continue to shorten the post interview hiring window.

Prediction - for as long as they want.
They’ve had this “competitive pool” for quite some time and I don’t see it changing anytime soon. Why? Well, because people were asking the same question a decade ago and even two decades ago.
Hope I’m wrong but to truly understand brown you must give up common sense.

How did they drop turn out?

When you are only hiring 20-30/month to one of the highest paying jobs in aviation, you can most definitely afford to be selective. It is another to have a need to hire 60-80/month. My opinion, most people prefer the top pax carriers, but UPS does have a niche of people that want to come here. One thing UPS has done over the years is be very consistent in the type of people they hire, something I have seen change with other airlines. People who would normally not have gotten even looked at in the past are getting called for interviews at the other top jobs due to market forces.

One thing is for certain, if and when UPS develops a need to hire 40-50/month consistently, that will be another deal altogether.

Welcome board shows 8-75 and 4-Bus.

They've had the "need" to hire 40-50 a month for some time now. We have new airframes parked "idle" or "inactive spares" or whatever term they chose to use today ... we don't have the bodies to fly them.

The need is there, the training capacity and their desire to hire are not. They find ways to move the volume. Sometimes by violating our scope, sometimes by contractual incentives (vacation buy-backs & JA open time), and they are always optimizing schedules.

They will never have a desire to increase the hiring numbers as long as they are capable of fulfilling their need for more productivity in some way or another.

Drop was
4 A300
5 75/6 ONT
4 75/6 SDF

Is there a Mgmt Pilot in class for the 75?? Late show? Returning pilot?
There were only 8/75 on the CPIL and the New Hire board.

Yeah I made a mistake. There’s 12 total.

3 75/6 SDF
5 75/6 ONT

Talking about management pilots, anyone notice we have hired virtually ZERO in the last 18 months? And I believe they are short. Obviously when their terms of employment changed the job became less attractive...

How long did it take from when your online app was locked until getting an interview? Thanks!

We have hired multiple management guys in the last six months just on the one fleet I’m privy to. Your statement is completely incorrect.

Maybe on other fleets but they’re definitely hiring more managers on the 74. The most recent is still in training.

The hiring spree might be slowly coming to an end. Fdx typically leads the pack and with their decision to retire MD10s and possibly A310s (due to softening demand) they might be closing their application window. That’s what a purple buddy of mine heard while doing his recurrent.
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Fedex (FDX) has said in its latest financial results that it is expecting to reduce capacity in its Express network by retiring older, less-efficient aircraft.

The company retired two MD10-10s earlier in the summer and will retire another nine in the current fiscal year.

By the end of its 2021 fiscal year, FDX will have removed the remaining nine, eliminating the MD10-10 fleet.

In addition, the company intends to remove its 13 MD10-30s by the end of its fiscal year 2022.

These are three engine aircraft that will be replaced by the two-engine 767Fs they have in the fleet and that will be delivered over the next four years. FDX operates 77 767Fs now and is scheduled to take delivery of 13 this fiscal year and 42 between FY21 and FY23.

As of August 31 2019, FDX had $611 million in deposits and progress payments on aircraft purchases and other planned aircraft-related transactions.

Helane Becker and Conor Cunningham at Cowen and Co, said: “The company is also looking into retiring its 10 remaining A310-300s, which are relatively small and are getting old. FedEx has 119 757-200Fs that could easily handle the volume of the A310s (although the 757s are about 3/4 of the size of the A310s).

“Management has outlined a number of steps they are taking to get back to the 13% to 15% earnings growth target. A reduction in air capacity after the peak should help costs, especially as the company retires its older three engine aircraft. This should also help improve the company’s sustainability index.”

Hiring spree for Fedex maybe, most definitely not for us. We are short as it is plus all the net new planes coming. We haven’t seen a dramatic slowdown yet, our volume is holding up nicely. Seems our exposure is slightly different than Fedex. Not saying we are immune by any means. Only wildcard is if they decide to start retiring MD, which I doubt anytime soon as we are barely keeping up with volume not counting any future growth. We are investing in all current fleets, so except MD, everything is staying.

We HAVE had a hiring spree, for an airline our size we hired a large number of people in the last few years.
“Most definitely” is too strong of a statement, I’d agree with ‘probably not us’.

It ALL depends on how long they’re planing on keeping the tri-tanic (i.e. economy)
Based on what we’re seeing today, you’re probably right. However, I’ve heard ‘most definitely not us’ before so I take nothing for granted.

For sure we are not immune. And BTW, the sky is not falling at Purple either, revenue growth has temporarily stagnated and they need to fix their TNT and unit profitability issues. They will be fine medium to long term. They still offer a good product/service, nothing has changed.

September 10th Class
 

FDX reported a net income of $745M for Q1’FY20 yesterday.

Two 757 FQS will be starting Sep 23, and another in November.

Part of me feels badly for these people. A large part.

Don't.

There is no excuse for not knowing what you're getting into with the amount of information available.

I'm going to assume that they did know and felt like they had no other options. Can't believe anyone would not rather have the line job that was probably not offered to them.

What is the difference? I have read a thing or two but I don't really know the difference? Not covered by the CBA? Circumventing seniority? Different work rules?

Given some classes have gotten ONT, are there crashpads around? I'm very unfamiliar with that area, I've only seen it from above when flying a transcon. That would definitely be a tough commute from Miami...
Hella.

If somebody has no options in today’s job market they have no business giving IPA guys checkrides. I have no Ill for anyone in management but I definitely don’t feel sorry for them when they get UPS’d.

I’m thankful everyday for the IPA because this job would completely suck without it.

The difference ? No union, no contract, no ability to go back to the line like many other companies offer ... so now you know. ;)

Not covered by the CBA ? Correct

Circumventing seniority ? Correct

Different work rules ? Correct

An unearned shortcut to the left seat by someone that wouldn't wait their turn. Historically, some wouldn't even make the cut on the line pilot interview process.

They turned down date of hire seniority and union representation and as a reward had their medical and retirement cut. Nice move guys.

Wow why would anyone do that?

To be fair towards fact, there is little to no actual info on these positions aside from what us union folk put out on various forums by way of opinion.