Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

Welcome to Airline Pilot Forums - Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. Join our community today and start interacting with existing members. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free.


User Tag List

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11-18-2019, 06:26 PM   #81  
maxing the min
 
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: 757 F/O
Posts: 310
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Night_Hawk View Post
this is not correct. If you dropped the trip via the trip board you would be paid 65. you lose the 10 hour buffer if you drop more than 50% of your initial credit time.
This does not sound correct
jetlaggy is offline  
Old 11-18-2019, 06:51 PM   #82  
Line Holder
 
6010C's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 37
Default

Q 13-84) I am awarded a 70 credit hour bid line. If I use the trip board and successfully transfer off a 10 hour trip from my line, I understand that the value of the transferred trip will be deducted from guarantee (75 hours) creating a new bid line guarantee of 65 hours. What if I then successfully transfer off another trip from my line, will those credit hours continue to be deducted from my new guarantee?

Yes, as long as your transfer of a trip(s) do not take you below 50% of your original bid line credit (35 credit hours in this example). If you go 50% below original bid line credit at any point in the pay period, then all the transferred trip credit value will be deducted from your original bid line credit of 70 hours.
6010C is offline  
Old 11-18-2019, 07:03 PM   #83  
maxing the min
 
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: 757 F/O
Posts: 310
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 6010C View Post
Q 13-84) I am awarded a 70 credit hour bid line. If I use the trip board and successfully transfer off a 10 hour trip from my line, I understand that the value of the transferred trip will be deducted from guarantee (75 hours) creating a new bid line guarantee of 65 hours. What if I then successfully transfer off another trip from my line, will those credit hours continue to be deducted from my new guarantee?

Yes, as long as your transfer of a trip(s) do not take you below 50% of your original bid line credit (35 credit hours in this example). If you go 50% below original bid line credit at any point in the pay period, then all the transferred trip credit value will be deducted from your original bid line credit of 70 hours.

ah ok. so the issue lies when you try to get your credit back to the 75 hr guarantee
jetlaggy is offline  
Old 11-18-2019, 10:30 PM   #84  
Social Media retired.
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 206
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmaster09 View Post
UPS is like a very old man completely stuck in his old outdated methods as ridiculous as they might be. Makes me quite nervous about the future of the company....
To their credit, they do adopt modern tech and methods when it directly affects the operation - employee convenience items will never be of concern. Their mediocrity, apathy, arrogance, lack of accountability, decentralized management structure, and inbred promotional scheme concerns me more.
FTv3 is offline  
Old 11-18-2019, 11:28 PM   #85  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetlaggy View Post
ah ok. so the issue lies when you try to get your credit back to the 75 hr guarantee
Correct. People confuse guarantee with line credit, they are not interchangeable.

The same case: 70 hour line credit, drop 10 hr trip on the trip board, it comes off BOTH guarantee and line credit, you will be paid higher of the two. So guarantee drops to 65, line credit to 60. IF, you want to get back to contractual min guarantee (75), that is where the buffer comes into play. Any time picked up adds to your line credit, NOT to guarantee, so you would need to pick up one or more trips that credit 15 hours.
HappyTrails is offline  
Old 11-19-2019, 12:35 AM   #86  
Social Media retired.
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 206
Default

To further help clarify:

Buffer = difference between original line credit and 75 hrs (line guarantee) IF line credit < guarantee.

- Considered free money.

- You donít lose the buffer but you might not get it paid out. This is the drop, then pickup, scenario described above.
Q: does picking up OT / JA get treated the same as picking up off the trip board in this scenario?

- Dropping trips below 50% original line credit value nullifies guarantee (thus buffer), leaving only line credit to be factored in pay.
Q: what happens to guarantee / buffer if one picks up to get back above 50%?

Q: If I do a trip trade with OT that results in less credit (assuming we are under a buffer scenario) is this treated the same as dropping credit via the trip board?

If anyone knows the answers to these questions offhand, TIA. If not, Iíll dig into it and post what I find.

Last edited by FTv3; 11-19-2019 at 12:38 AM. Reason: Format cleanup
FTv3 is offline  
Old 11-19-2019, 01:57 PM   #87  
Permanent Reserve
 
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,338
Default

My bad guess I need to read up more
navigatro is offline  
Old 11-19-2019, 02:31 PM   #88  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 26
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FTv3 View Post
To further help clarify:

Buffer = difference between original line credit and 75 hrs (line guarantee) IF line credit < guarantee.

- Considered free money.

- You donít lose the buffer but you might not get it paid out. This is the drop, then pickup, scenario described above.
Q: does picking up OT / JA get treated the same as picking up off the trip board in this scenario?

- Dropping trips below 50% original line credit value nullifies guarantee (thus buffer), leaving only line credit to be factored in pay.
Q: what happens to guarantee / buffer if one picks up to get back above 50%?

Q: If I do a trip trade with OT that results in less credit (assuming we are under a buffer scenario) is this treated the same as dropping credit via the trip board?

If anyone knows the answers to these questions offhand, TIA. If not, Iíll dig into it and post what I find.
JA is paid over 75. OT on the other hand you are working for free until you credit 75. Example original line credit of 70 fly as scheduled get paid 75. Pickup 10 hrs, get paid 80 not 85.

For the last question you canít trade for less credit only equal to or more.

As far as coming to UPS with the intentions of dropping trips I would say you are better off elsewhere. UPS has a ton to offer schedule flexibility is not at the top.
hammer pants is offline  
Old 11-19-2019, 05:19 PM   #89  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 162
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hammer pants View Post
As far as coming to UPS with the intentions of dropping trips I would say you are better off elsewhere. UPS has a ton to offer schedule flexibility is not at the top.
Exceptional advice.
BrownDoubles is offline  
Old 11-19-2019, 06:16 PM   #90  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 32
Default

What I have noticed about UPS during my time is what you see is what you get. A very good job with an employer who will try to get away with crap but doesnít hide it, the stabbing wonít come from the back, like other employers who say pretty things and act different behind your back. We have to fight for everything, but this fighting makes our Union strong. We all know very well who our employer is, and this unifies us. In a sense, people who come here wear big boy pants, people who need their hand held, constant whiners usually donít do so well. Great job, no doubt among the best, just a very different culture than a ďtraditionalĒ airline.
HappyTrails is offline  
 
 
 

 
Post Reply
 



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2018 UPS hiring FTFF UPS 386 06-04-2018 09:44 PM
UPS Hiring FQS jlg79 Cargo 154 05-24-2014 10:27 AM
Political group does a 180 on FDX for UPS 767pilot Cargo 113 10-15-2009 07:19 PM
UPS lobbyists FR8K9 Cargo 12 10-06-2008 06:02 AM
New Deal with Teamsters Cujo Cargo 4 10-01-2007 11:08 PM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:39 PM.