UPS 2020 Hiring
01-25-2020, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Thrust Hold
The actual definition is based on economics.
Major airline is defined as an airline that generates more than $1-billion in revenue annually.
National airlines - Just one step down from the major airlines, these are scheduled airlines with annual operating revenues between $100-million and $1-billion.
Regionals are divided into three subgroups: Large regionals - These are scheduled carriers with $20-million to $100-million in annual revenue. They operate aircraft that can accommodate more than 60 passengers. Medium regionals - These airlines operate on a smaller scale, with operating revenues of under $20-million, and often use only small aircraft. Small regionals - These airlines don't have a set revenue definition, but are usually referred to as "commuter airlines." They use small aircraft with less than 61 seats.
Major airline is defined as an airline that generates more than $1-billion in revenue annually.
National airlines - Just one step down from the major airlines, these are scheduled airlines with annual operating revenues between $100-million and $1-billion.
Regionals are divided into three subgroups: Large regionals - These are scheduled carriers with $20-million to $100-million in annual revenue. They operate aircraft that can accommodate more than 60 passengers. Medium regionals - These airlines operate on a smaller scale, with operating revenues of under $20-million, and often use only small aircraft. Small regionals - These airlines don't have a set revenue definition, but are usually referred to as "commuter airlines." They use small aircraft with less than 61 seats.
I was simplistically saying airlines like Allegiant and JetBlue are major airlines.
01-25-2020, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris25
Opinions. Stay Captain at a major or go to ups. 31 years old 2 kids
1. Do you have a UPS class date yet?
2. Which airline are you currently at and how long have you been in the L seat?
3. Where do you live? Where do you want to live?
4. What are your main reasons for wanting to come to UPS?
01-27-2020, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FTv3
Chris,
1. Do you have a UPS class date yet?
2. Which airline are you currently at and how long have you been in the L seat?
3. Where do you live? Where do you want to live?
4. What are your main reasons for wanting to come to UPS?
1. Do you have a UPS class date yet?
2. Which airline are you currently at and how long have you been in the L seat?
3. Where do you live? Where do you want to live?
4. What are your main reasons for wanting to come to UPS?
2. NK 7 months
3. South Florida raised
I appreciate everyone’s input. Tough call. UPS is a great deal for sure
01-27-2020, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris25
1. Yes
2. NK 7 months
3. South Florida raised
I appreciate everyone’s input. Tough call. UPS is a great deal for sure
2. NK 7 months
3. South Florida raised
I appreciate everyone’s input. Tough call. UPS is a great deal for sure
I have one friend based there, and he’s not been too happy with the lines, and they’ve only gotten worse.
Granted, you have a career to think of, but just one point. Maybe other IPAers can chime in on that.
01-27-2020, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris25
1. Yes
2. NK 7 months
3. South Florida raised
I appreciate everyone’s input. Tough call. UPS is a great deal for sure
2. NK 7 months
3. South Florida raised
I appreciate everyone’s input. Tough call. UPS is a great deal for sure
Best wishes with your decision; glad you are fortunate enough to be faced with it.
01-27-2020, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris25
1. Yes
2. NK 7 months
3. South Florida raised
I appreciate everyone’s input. Tough call. UPS is a great deal for sure
2. NK 7 months
3. South Florida raised
I appreciate everyone’s input. Tough call. UPS is a great deal for sure
First: 31 yrs old, 2 kids, and I assume a spouse. First thing that comes to mind = health care bennies. Simply put, UPS (alongside FedEx) has bennies that not only surpass the other legacies but laps them at least once. Think all the things that add up over the years, broken bones, medications, orthodontics, etc. Cannot tell you how much of a stress reliever it is having confidence you will get the best care and pay essential nothing more than pocket change if it isn’t already fully covered. It’s a big deal for families, this aspect. The high FO payscales also allow you to max our other bennies like STD, LTD, life insurance, supplemental AdnD, etc. You can fully insure your whole income here from day 1 of year 2.
Second. At 31, you could retire at 62 and get full
pension. That is a significant factor to consider. Many of us have to work til 65 to get only 20something years as we got hired in late 30s or early 40s. UPS has a huge combined retirement package!
S. FL commute: not the easiest, not the worst. Commute to SDF until you can hold some of the more palatable stuff in MIA. For perspective, there are guys that commute to ANC from S Florida by choice... Live close to MIA then little reason to bail out of town.
Compensation. This is a high paying gig which means Financial security for your family. Private schools, university, traveling sports teams, international travel/vacations, etc., all taken care of without struggle. Trade off is back side of the clock schedules and a pathetic boss. However, we don’t block that many hours per year, I think 400 is about average??? Also, Min guarantee is 82hrs / cal month. This is another factor to consider especially if things go south in the economy.
Time off. Do you know about our vacation policy? Conflict bidding? You can get a lot of time off here. Sure, summers will take a bit to hold but I’ve been able to get the kids fall and or spring breaks off fairly easily. For work schedules, they basically gotcha you 14/28 days but this varies ( rarely at or more than 16/28 though).
Honestly, I’d say it’s almost a no brainer assuming you have done your research and know what you are getting into with a job at UPS...? A quick recap: UPS is a place where you show up on time, do your job, go home and enjoy your days off without wasting a minute thinking about the company. You’ll never get any recognition or appreciation for your work, you are presumed guilty until proven there’s not enough evidence to prove you guilty, they will push limits on contractual compliance whilst holding you to the strictest of standards. You are an inconvenience to their operation, and expensive one at that. Some argue they hate us, no one agrees they respect us in any way, shape or form. This isn’t problematic as long as you go in with a clear understanding of all this, with your eyes wide open, and a willingness to be active / engaged within the union. And you don’t even interact with them that much on a daily basis when flying the line or sitting reserve. But every now and then they’ll remind you of who they are. Like eating Indian food... edit: read a bit of this thread:
Originally Posted by Machtransition
And you are familiar with our schedules? I’ll link a post I did that explains them in detail. If you are at peace with these last two items then I can’t see any reason not to jump ship.
What are your biggest hesitations / compelling reasons to stay at NK?
Last edited by FTv3; 01-27-2020 at 05:54 PM. Reason: Typos
01-27-2020, 05:45 PM
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01-27-2020, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FTv3
Ok, here’s my 2 cents:
First: 31 yrs old, 2 kids, and I assume a spouse. First thing that comes to mind = health care bennies. Simply put, UPS (alongside FedEx) has bennies that not only surpass the other legacies but laps them at least once. Think all the things that add up over the years, broken bones, medications, orthodontics, etc. Cannot tell you how much of a stress reliever it is having confidence you will get the best care and pay essential nothing more than pocket change if it isn’t already fully covered. It’s a big deal for families, this aspect. The high FO payscales also allow you to max our other bennies like STD, LTD, life insurance, supplemental AdnD, etc. You can fully insure your whole income here from day 1 of year 2.
Second. At 31, you could retire at 62 and get full
pension. That is a significant factor to consider. Many of us have to work til 65 to get only 20something years as we got hired in late 30s or early 40s. UPS has a huge combined retirement package!
S. FL commute: not the easiest, not the worst. Commute to SDF until you can hold some of the more palatable stuff in MIA. For perspective, there are guys that commute to ANC from S Florida by choice... Live close to MIA then little reason to bail out of town.
Compensation. This is a high paying gig which means Financial security for your family. Private schools, university, traveling sports teams, international travel/vacations, etc., all taken care of without struggle. Trade off is back side of the clock schedules and a pathetic boss. However, we don’t block that many hours per year, I think 400 is about average??? Also, Min guarantee is 82hrs / cal month. This is another factor to consider especially if things go south in the economy.
Time off. Do you know about our vacation policy? Conflict bidding? You can get a lot of time off here. Sure, summers will take a bit to hold but I’ve been able to get the kids fall and or spring breaks off fairly easily. For work schedules, they basically gotcha you 14/28 days but this varies ( rarely at or more than 16/28 though).
Honestly, I’d say it’s almost a no brainer assuming you have done your research and know what you are getting into with a job at UPS...? A quick recap: UPS is a place where you show up on time, do your job, go home and enjoy your days off without wasting a minute thinking about the company. You’ll never get any recognition or appreciation for your work, you are presumed guilty until proven there’s not enough evidence to prove you guilty, they will push limits on contractual compliance whilst holding you to the strictest of standards. You are an inconvenience to their operation, and expensive one at that. Some argue they hate us, no one agrees they respect us in any way, shape or form. This isn’t problematic as long as you go in with a clear understanding of all this, with your eyes wide open, and a willingness to be active / engaged within the union. And you don’t even interact with them that much on a daily basis when flying the line or sitting reserve. But every now and then they’ll remind you of who they are. Like eating Indian food... edit: read a bit of this thread:
And you are familiar with our schedules? I’ll link a post I did that explains them in detail. If you are at peace with these last two items then I can’t see any reason not to jump ship.
What are your biggest hesitations / compelling reasons to stay at NK?
First: 31 yrs old, 2 kids, and I assume a spouse. First thing that comes to mind = health care bennies. Simply put, UPS (alongside FedEx) has bennies that not only surpass the other legacies but laps them at least once. Think all the things that add up over the years, broken bones, medications, orthodontics, etc. Cannot tell you how much of a stress reliever it is having confidence you will get the best care and pay essential nothing more than pocket change if it isn’t already fully covered. It’s a big deal for families, this aspect. The high FO payscales also allow you to max our other bennies like STD, LTD, life insurance, supplemental AdnD, etc. You can fully insure your whole income here from day 1 of year 2.
Second. At 31, you could retire at 62 and get full
pension. That is a significant factor to consider. Many of us have to work til 65 to get only 20something years as we got hired in late 30s or early 40s. UPS has a huge combined retirement package!
S. FL commute: not the easiest, not the worst. Commute to SDF until you can hold some of the more palatable stuff in MIA. For perspective, there are guys that commute to ANC from S Florida by choice... Live close to MIA then little reason to bail out of town.
Compensation. This is a high paying gig which means Financial security for your family. Private schools, university, traveling sports teams, international travel/vacations, etc., all taken care of without struggle. Trade off is back side of the clock schedules and a pathetic boss. However, we don’t block that many hours per year, I think 400 is about average??? Also, Min guarantee is 82hrs / cal month. This is another factor to consider especially if things go south in the economy.
Time off. Do you know about our vacation policy? Conflict bidding? You can get a lot of time off here. Sure, summers will take a bit to hold but I’ve been able to get the kids fall and or spring breaks off fairly easily. For work schedules, they basically gotcha you 14/28 days but this varies ( rarely at or more than 16/28 though).
Honestly, I’d say it’s almost a no brainer assuming you have done your research and know what you are getting into with a job at UPS...? A quick recap: UPS is a place where you show up on time, do your job, go home and enjoy your days off without wasting a minute thinking about the company. You’ll never get any recognition or appreciation for your work, you are presumed guilty until proven there’s not enough evidence to prove you guilty, they will push limits on contractual compliance whilst holding you to the strictest of standards. You are an inconvenience to their operation, and expensive one at that. Some argue they hate us, no one agrees they respect us in any way, shape or form. This isn’t problematic as long as you go in with a clear understanding of all this, with your eyes wide open, and a willingness to be active / engaged within the union. And you don’t even interact with them that much on a daily basis when flying the line or sitting reserve. But every now and then they’ll remind you of who they are. Like eating Indian food... edit: read a bit of this thread:
And you are familiar with our schedules? I’ll link a post I did that explains them in detail. If you are at peace with these last two items then I can’t see any reason not to jump ship.
What are your biggest hesitations / compelling reasons to stay at NK?
thanks for the info. UPS has always been my dream job but now that I’m a captain starting my 5th year seniority it’s hard to give up. First year pay, while I’m prepared for, will obviously be tough. I am top 50% seniority right now and by the time we finish with our planned growth by 2027 I will be top 30%. Yes pay, benefits, etc will always be better at UPS but it’s a risk to take to lose the seniority I have gained here. If a recession hits I’m sure I will be okay where I am at now, at UPS I will be one of the first to be on furlough board. Definitely a good position to be in just hard choice.
thanks again for everyone’s input.
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