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Old 01-17-2020, 09:23 AM
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The company got wise with contract language concerning SDF crews. We have scheduling limiting language based on early duty window (EDW) and critical report time (CRT), think true back side of the clock hours of the day. The catch is that this language is based on local domicile time, meaning your base. The company figured out to flow ONT crews to SDF then fly them in and out of SDF with almost complete disregard to EDW and CRT rules due to the time zone difference between California and EST. The result has been a lot of nasty night flying for ONT crews that wouldn’t be contractual for SDF based pilots to fly.

ONT base is 76/75 only.
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The company got wise with contract language concerning SDF crews. We have scheduling limiting language based on early duty window (EDW) and critical report time (CRT), think true back side of the clock hours of the day. The catch is that this language is based on local domicile time, meaning your base. The company figured out to flow ONT crews to SDF then fly them in and out of SDF with almost complete disregard to EDW and CRT rules due to the time zone difference between California and EST. The result has been a lot of nasty night flying for ONT crews that wouldn’t be contractual for SDF based pilots to fly.

ONT base is 76/75 only.
Hopefully this gets changed in the next contract.
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Old 01-17-2020, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FTv3 View Post
The company got wise with contract language concerning SDF crews. We have scheduling limiting language based on early duty window (EDW) and critical report time (CRT), think true back side of the clock hours of the day. The catch is that this language is based on local domicile time, meaning your base. The company figured out to flow ONT crews to SDF then fly them in and out of SDF with almost complete disregard to EDW and CRT rules due to the time zone difference between California and EST. The result has been a lot of nasty night flying for ONT crews that wouldn’t be contractual for SDF based pilots to fly.

ONT base is 76/75 only.
clever stuff. When you say flow, do you mean work them to SDF or DHD them start and finish on pairing/rotation?
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Old 04-25-2021, 10:48 PM
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sign me up. Where’s the dotted line. I’m 30 minutes from ONT.
what type of flying did you end up getting out of ONT? I’m new CJO waiting to start and live driving distance from ONT
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Old 04-26-2021, 09:23 AM
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Latest ONT bid pack, May-early July.

6 lines turns (locals)

33 lines of basically 5-ON 8-Off (varies to 6 day trip and an occasional 7 day trip) but most have 16/28 days off in a pay period. One line has only a single 5 day trip (23 days off), Line #33. All domestic, seems to lean towards west of Mississippi flying.

15 lines of 3 trips per PP (28 days), 4-5 day trips mostly, some 2&3 day trips. Days off total per PP drop to avg of 12.

13 base trips. Complete mixed bag. Again, averaging around 12 days off per PP.

4 airport standby lines, in blocks of 4-5 days duty.

8 VTO (vacation, training, other) buildup lines.

20 lines reserve.

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Junior captain: August 2015 hire. There are 6 2015 hire captains total. A little over 100 captains (same for FOs).

9 x 2021 newhire FOs
median FO is a 2018 hire
Only 25 FOs were hired before 2014
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Originally Posted by FTv3 View Post
Latest ONT bid pack, May-early July.

6 lines turns (locals)

33 lines of basically 5-ON 8-Off (varies to 6 day trip and an occasional 7 day trip) but most have 16/28 days off in a pay period. One line has only a single 5 day trip (23 days off), Line #33. All domestic, seems to lean towards west of Mississippi flying.

15 lines of 3 trips per PP (28 days), 4-5 day trips mostly, some 2&3 day trips. Days off total per PP drop to avg of 12.

13 base trips. Complete mixed bag. Again, averaging around 12 days off per PP.

4 airport standby lines, in blocks of 4-5 days duty.

8 VTO (vacation, training, other) buildup lines.

20 lines reserve.

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Junior captain: August 2015 hire. There are 6 2015 hire captains total. A little over 100 captains (same for FOs).

9 x 2021 newhire FOs
median FO is a 2018 hire
Only 25 FOs were hired before 2014
I'm guessing the 5 on 8 off is pretty senior? Everything thing I've read about ONT schedules isn't good but that sounds great.

Is 12 days off per PP a system wide average for junior folks?

If you have a moment can you do a similar break down for SDF on the 757 and the A300?

Thank you !
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Old 04-26-2021, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FTv3 View Post
Latest ONT bid pack, May-early July.

6 lines turns (locals)

33 lines of basically 5-ON 8-Off (varies to 6 day trip and an occasional 7 day trip) but most have 16/28 days off in a pay period. One line has only a single 5 day trip (23 days off), Line #33. All domestic, seems to lean towards west of Mississippi flying.

15 lines of 3 trips per PP (28 days), 4-5 day trips mostly, some 2&3 day trips. Days off total per PP drop to avg of 12.

13 base trips. Complete mixed bag. Again, averaging around 12 days off per PP.

4 airport standby lines, in blocks of 4-5 days duty.

8 VTO (vacation, training, other) buildup lines.

20 lines reserve.

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Junior captain: August 2015 hire. There are 6 2015 hire captains total. A little over 100 captains (same for FOs).

9 x 2021 newhire FOs
median FO is a 2018 hire
Only 25 FOs were hired before 2014
What is the show time for this type of flying and end time? Thanks
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I'm guessing the 5 on 8 off is pretty senior? Everything thing I've read about ONT schedules isn't good but that sounds great.

Is 12 days off per PP a system wide average for junior folks?

If you have a moment can you do a similar break down for SDF on the 757 and the A300?

Thank you !
1. I’m guessing they go senior.

2. Not sure but 12 off /28 days seems pretty low.

3. I’ll try as well as look more into your previous questions. I did do a really in-depth breakdown of our schedules a couple years ago. Dont know where exactly but the search function should locate it. Might be under FTv2 or FTFF usernames.
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What is the show time for this type of flying and end time? Thanks
Probably not bankers hours. Give me a bit...
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5/8 and week on off’s seem to be a mixed bag of day or nite sort (hub) flying. Some easy, some not so pretty. Here’s a random one:

-1900L Sunday show for a DH up to SJC
- 18hr l/o then 1900 departure to SDF
- sit sort then go to MFE at 0430, l/o
- same type of thing for next 2 nights but leaving out of SDF, a 2 legger to the l/o
- finish thur am in BOI, CML DH back to domicile that evening. (This is a paid ticket).

Here’s an easy 4 day:

-1am show, operate ONT - SLC - SDF, l/o
- day 2, 2 am show operate SDF LAX
- day 3, go back to Sdf at 5 am
-day 4, back to ONT, finish at 5am

Flipping through it, to me, nothing seems ‘horrible (relatively speaking).’ Looks like standard night flying though the devil is in the details so I’ll defer to the ONT peeps to tell it how it is.
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Bottom ONT FOs got reserve, VTOs to those just above as well as base lines (mixed bag lines). The 5/8 stuff tended to go to the more senior but awards seem really scattered across the board compared to what I’m used to.

The MD (SDF) flies to ONT quite a bit. Imagine one could find a nice niche living in SoCal flying that thing.

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Days off per PP (28 days): A quick, and I mean a quick scan of various bid packs mixed with what I’ve seen... the company has you for 14/28 on average. Note that that’s on paper at bid award time. DH deviations, conflict bidding, trip trading can all lower days away from home or you can drop trips (pay) to do the same. Perhaps some of those ONT trips have 2330 show times or 2am finishes which counts as a “day” vs a day off, skewing the numbers...?

IMHO, if you don’t live close to ONT just bid SDF 75/76 and get a feel for the system’s idiosyncrasies for the first 6months to a year. Transfer into ONT if it looks palatable. If you live on ONT, bid it. If it sucks you can always bid out to Sdf. You’re not going to know until you get your feet wet.

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“Reserve goes senior here:”

This is an outdated paradigm. It’s highly dependent on fleet, seat, domicile, staffing levels, reserve type, and global events.

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