Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Cargo > UPS
IPA Demographics, Growth & Attrition Reports >

IPA Demographics, Growth & Attrition Reports

Notices

IPA Demographics, Growth & Attrition Reports

Old 01-20-2020, 09:15 AM
  #21  
The NeverEnding Story
Thread Starter
 
BoilerUP's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,475
Default

We added three sims late 18/early 19...isn't an additional new 767 sim on the way? Seems like I've heard that somewhere...
BoilerUP is offline  
Old 01-20-2020, 09:16 AM
  #22  
Gets Weekends Off
 
ASAPsafetyGUY's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 441
Default

Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr View Post
The number of pilots we will wind up with will be around 3,200. At least, that seems to be what most folks I’ve talked to think. Keep in mind the company plays its cards close to the vest, so even many managers don’t really know. UPS likes to run lean on manning and, as has been said, our training department currently can only handle 300 new hires per year at most. Throw in a decent number of guys switching fleets as the new 74 SDF domicile stands up and that could be reduced more. We will likely continue to struggle to grow by 50-100 bodies per year despite hiring more than twice that. Fortunately, your seniority will be increasing rapidly. Fleet growth and guys retiring well before 65 have put the company behind the 8 ball.
So when can a pilot hired today reasonably expect to upgrade here?
ASAPsafetyGUY is offline  
Old 01-20-2020, 09:20 AM
  #23  
Occasional box hauler
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,636
Default

Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
We added three sims late 18/early 19...isn't an additional new 767 sim on the way? Seems like I've heard that somewhere...
we added a new MD sim in SDF, but it’s just a replacement for the old one. The Anchorage sim is supposed to be moved to Louisville soon which will reduce capacity further while it’s going through that process. I’m not smart on the other fleets training capacity, but the MD is hurting at a time we are hemorrhaging to the 74.
tnkrdrvr is offline  
Old 01-20-2020, 09:37 AM
  #24  
The NeverEnding Story
Thread Starter
 
BoilerUP's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,475
Default

Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY View Post
So when can a pilot hired today reasonably expect to upgrade here?
Normal first available upgrade ran about 65% on the seniority list prior to current fleet growth beginning. Assuming a pilot group of 3200 on 1 Jan 2023 with a static fleet of 290 airframes after all announced deliveries are complete, one would need to be 2100ish to reach the left seat. From 1 Jan 2023 through 31 Dec 2030, we mandatory retire 1149 pilots.

Lots o' variables there though...when I was hired I was 10 years to 65% based on mandatory retirements alone but in a few months we'll have people activate as Captains prior to their 5th anniversary due to growth and retirements prior to age 65.

Caveat emptor, past performance not indicative of future results, etc etc.
BoilerUP is offline  
Old 01-20-2020, 09:38 AM
  #25  
The NeverEnding Story
Thread Starter
 
BoilerUP's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,475
Default

Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr View Post
we added a new MD sim in SDF, but it’s just a replacement for the old one.
So they aren't currently doing MD training at the old sim building and the GAT?
BoilerUP is offline  
Old 01-20-2020, 11:40 AM
  #26  
Occasional box hauler
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,636
Default

Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
So they aren't currently doing MD training at the old sim building and the GAT?
Not sure. My understanding was they let the certification for the one in the old sim building lapse last fall. I haven’t been over there since September.
tnkrdrvr is offline  
Old 01-20-2020, 02:45 PM
  #27  
Tri-tanic operator
 
CactusCrew's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: Doggie
Posts: 2,382
Default

Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr View Post
Not sure. My understanding was they let the certification for the one in the old sim building lapse last fall. I haven’t been over there since September.
FWIW ... I've been in the old building Dec/Jan, the MD sim is in use for recurrent.
CactusCrew is offline  
Old 01-20-2020, 03:26 PM
  #28  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 923
Default

We are also finalizing the use of a brand new 76 LDS sim in MIA. Agreement was supposed to be complete by now, but with UPS....

The sim is owned by Atlas (housed in Boeing building), one rumor is we are trying to buy it outright another is long term lease. Who knows.. what does seem very likely is that one way or another we will have use of it soon. Rumor is recurrents only for the time being, but things change quickly around here. We are also supposed to be using the 75/76 Combi sim, that hasn’t happened yet either. The company has their way of doing things, but they are actively looking for additional sim capacity.
C2078 is offline  
Old 01-20-2020, 04:38 PM
  #29  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 112
Default

Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
We added three sims late 18/early 19...isn't an additional new 767 sim on the way? Seems like I've heard that somewhere...
Pretty sure it’s a new 757 Pratt sim that’s on the way. They have the 767 sim in the old building and the new 767 LDS sim in the GAC currently.
Busflyer is offline  
Old 01-22-2020, 12:19 AM
  #30  
Gets Weekends Off
 
pony172's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: long haul
Posts: 126
Default

Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
So they aren't currently doing MD training at the old sim building and the GAT?
They are still using both as of Dec when I finished IQ.
pony172 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
RedBaron007
Regional
67
04-30-2007 08:52 AM
Zoro
Cargo
19
07-28-2006 12:30 AM
Freight Dog
Cargo
1
05-21-2006 09:27 AM
Freighter Captain
Cargo
0
10-21-2005 07:29 AM
Freighter Captain
Cargo
0
07-11-2005 08:59 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices