Hired as a pilot if I was once a bad loader?
05-05-2020, 08:30 AM
#11
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If Brown is where you want to be and you meet the minimum requirements, by all means apply. It’s not going to hurt. I’d invest in a resume service so it’s nice and polished when you upload. Update as often as you can, reapply every January, hit some job fairs when they start up again. I’d get an interview prep to clean up that ‘TMMAT you worked for UPS’ story. You got internal contacts? Get them working on LORs. Continue improving your resume and get that degree done fast with top marks.
UPS likes higher time guys. Avg civilian TT when I got hired was 8-9K. Your ACMI and MD time will help as will MD PIC so don’t bypass if you can help it.
Rumor is application numbers are soaring towards 20K.
Your seasonal work history with UPS will be a factor, make no mistake. Dig into these threads with the search function - we’ve hashed through this and many other things multiple times over the last few years. If you’re really worried you can try doing a background check on yourself and see what turns up but know they have internal notes which won’t be disseminated and it’s whats in those notes that you really want to see.
Best of luck.
UPS likes higher time guys. Avg civilian TT when I got hired was 8-9K. Your ACMI and MD time will help as will MD PIC so don’t bypass if you can help it.
Rumor is application numbers are soaring towards 20K.
Your seasonal work history with UPS will be a factor, make no mistake. Dig into these threads with the search function - we’ve hashed through this and many other things multiple times over the last few years. If you’re really worried you can try doing a background check on yourself and see what turns up but know they have internal notes which won’t be disseminated and it’s whats in those notes that you really want to see.
Best of luck.
05-05-2020, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FTv3
If Brown is where you want to be and you meet the minimum requirements, by all means apply. It’s not going to hurt. I’d invest in a resume service so it’s nice and polished when you upload. Update as often as you can, reapply every January, hit some job fairs when they start up again. I’d get an interview prep to clean up that ‘TMMAT you worked for UPS’ story. You got internal contacts? Get them working on LORs. Continue improving your resume and get that degree done fast with top marks.
UPS likes higher time guys. Avg civilian TT when I got hired was 8-9K. Your ACMI and MD time will help as will MD PIC so don’t bypass if you can help it.
Rumor is application numbers are soaring towards 20K.
Your seasonal work history with UPS will be a factor, make no mistake. Dig into these threads with the search function - we’ve hashed through this and many other things multiple times over the last few years. If you’re really worried you can try doing a background check on yourself and see what turns up but know they have internal notes which won’t be disseminated and it’s whats in those notes that you really want to see.
Best of luck.
UPS likes higher time guys. Avg civilian TT when I got hired was 8-9K. Your ACMI and MD time will help as will MD PIC so don’t bypass if you can help it.
Rumor is application numbers are soaring towards 20K.
Your seasonal work history with UPS will be a factor, make no mistake. Dig into these threads with the search function - we’ve hashed through this and many other things multiple times over the last few years. If you’re really worried you can try doing a background check on yourself and see what turns up but know they have internal notes which won’t be disseminated and it’s whats in those notes that you really want to see.
Best of luck.
05-05-2020, 10:02 AM
#13
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This is the EXACT reason why I decided not to be a seasonal worker at UPS or Fedex while I was in college. I didn’t want a bad experience to hamper my ability to get hired as a pilot if I wanted to in the future.
I actually have some personal experience related to this. After high school I joined the Navy and wanted to come back as a pilot after college. I ended up getting 2 or 3 bad evals when I was in the Navy because I was a stupid kid. A couple years after college a friend of mine and I decided to apply to the Navy at the same time. We both had the exact same quals except I was prior enlisted and he was not. Well guess what happened? He ended up getting selected and I did not. The only reason I can think is because of what a couple bad evals said about me.
I actually have some personal experience related to this. After high school I joined the Navy and wanted to come back as a pilot after college. I ended up getting 2 or 3 bad evals when I was in the Navy because I was a stupid kid. A couple years after college a friend of mine and I decided to apply to the Navy at the same time. We both had the exact same quals except I was prior enlisted and he was not. Well guess what happened? He ended up getting selected and I did not. The only reason I can think is because of what a couple bad evals said about me.
05-06-2020, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by WinggedHussars
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I have a little over 5000 hours total time, roughly 3500 of that is in turbojets, approximately 1000 of that is MD11 SIC and approximately a thousand of that is EMB-145 PIC at a previous carrier (the rest of the jet time is EMB-145 SIC)
Will ups have held a grudge about the business as a seasonal loader from 2008? Could I be blacklisted by HR or something as do not hire? Or is this possibly something that the time and what I've done in between and that they are two dramatically different jobs would render it not that big of a deal? I haven't seen the application, so I'm not sure if it even asks about things from that long ago, but I'm sure it will come up cause I'm sure I'm on the computer and I had an employee number.
Should I apply now? Should I wait until I finish my degree and then apply? Or did dumb teenage me hose myself out of the opportunity?
I have a little over 5000 hours total time, roughly 3500 of that is in turbojets, approximately 1000 of that is MD11 SIC and approximately a thousand of that is EMB-145 PIC at a previous carrier (the rest of the jet time is EMB-145 SIC)
Will ups have held a grudge about the business as a seasonal loader from 2008? Could I be blacklisted by HR or something as do not hire? Or is this possibly something that the time and what I've done in between and that they are two dramatically different jobs would render it not that big of a deal? I haven't seen the application, so I'm not sure if it even asks about things from that long ago, but I'm sure it will come up cause I'm sure I'm on the computer and I had an employee number.
Should I apply now? Should I wait until I finish my degree and then apply? Or did dumb teenage me hose myself out of the opportunity?
1. Apply now. HR will notice the first application date. Even if ineligible or rejected in 2020, the original date remains. Reapply 2021. Earlier demonstrates you wanted to be UPS a long time (Helps applicant demonstrate desire)
2. Do not call HR IMHO. Let Airline UPS HR system (automated or manual) communicate with corporate HR and hope the ground district you were in left it satisfactory. UPS records can be mashed up depending on who did entries etc. Point is, you call now, they say ineligible, guessing they will punch a few keystrokes like an APB on you in current system (1981 version 2) and definitely you updated the ineligible status. IMHO, let it ride, don't open the can. Apply for pilot, be honest that worked for them, let them do the work to determine status. May get through, presently UPS will not hire an ineligible status. IS what it is. Corporate ego an all. Many companies beside UPS exhibit this behavior.
3. Be to stupid to quit. UPS like many companies do change criteria over time. Currently, several pilots hired without degrees in last several years 2016-2019 time frame and wont talk about it, but they were grilled in the interview about why. Clearly they had a valid answer as were hired. To my knowledge talking with these few, all had some college and some had the associates degrees. Previous UPS: Maybe their own records are not complete or HR systems don't communicate well with each other. (Internally, UPS has some ancient software that is not efficient. think 1980's version 1. External customers get the IT and software focus/ attention.)
Good fortunes!
05-06-2020, 10:07 PM
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just curious but...
1. post-COVID how will anyone get hired with no degree
2. why would a candidate be “grilled” at the interview regarding no degree ? he got invited to the interview then “grilled” about it ?
3. any idea when HR computer system will move into more modern age ? FlightInfo has numerous questions circa 2001 that are the same questions in 2020. locked, pool, inactive, etc. big mystery surrounds “the system” but what purpose does that serve.
thank you, respectfully submitted
1. post-COVID how will anyone get hired with no degree
2. why would a candidate be “grilled” at the interview regarding no degree ? he got invited to the interview then “grilled” about it ?
3. any idea when HR computer system will move into more modern age ? FlightInfo has numerous questions circa 2001 that are the same questions in 2020. locked, pool, inactive, etc. big mystery surrounds “the system” but what purpose does that serve.
thank you, respectfully submitted
05-07-2020, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain
just curious but...
1. post-COVID how will anyone get hired with no degree
It will be by exception only.
2. why would a candidate be “grilled” at the interview regarding no degree ? he got invited to the interview then “grilled” about it ?
It’s HR’s show and they’ll do what they want to. By definition they see the interview as the last chance to screen out undesirable candidates.
3. any idea when HR computer system will move into more modern age ? FlightInfo has numerous questions circa 2001 that are the same questions in 2020. locked, pool, inactive, etc. big mystery surrounds “the system” but what purpose does that serve.
Probably never. The questions have remained remarkably consistent over the years, as has the product. We wish we had more insight into and say over the process, but the IPA is completely locked out.
thank you, respectfully submitted
1. post-COVID how will anyone get hired with no degree
It will be by exception only.
2. why would a candidate be “grilled” at the interview regarding no degree ? he got invited to the interview then “grilled” about it ?
It’s HR’s show and they’ll do what they want to. By definition they see the interview as the last chance to screen out undesirable candidates.
3. any idea when HR computer system will move into more modern age ? FlightInfo has numerous questions circa 2001 that are the same questions in 2020. locked, pool, inactive, etc. big mystery surrounds “the system” but what purpose does that serve.
Probably never. The questions have remained remarkably consistent over the years, as has the product. We wish we had more insight into and say over the process, but the IPA is completely locked out.
thank you, respectfully submitted
05-09-2020, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
This place will never be an airline because it has no desire to be one. That can be bad and good.
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To the OP - The Winged Hussar - lots of good advice here! Listen to the likes of salty, they’ve been around and they know how the system works.
APPLY and let the HR worry about your eligibility. You worry WAY TOO MUCH over issues you have zero control over. Very Un-Hussarian of you. ;-) Put those wings on and ATTACK your target!
YES, they care about previous employment here and they’ll know everything about you by the time you show up for the interview (we pretty much invented the NSA :-/ ). ...but who cares, apply, attend a few job fairs, have a good attitude and show them you’ve moved on from your past and that you’re ready to show them the new you. Until you apply you won’t know.
Wish you the best.
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