2021 System Bid Rumors
#141
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Post furlough record pace? Not sure what you mean? For the first time since UPS Airlines’ founding we now have over 3,000 pilots on property (~3,100). Is that what you meant by “record pace”?
#142
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The real question is what is the long term number of pilots the company thinks it needs. That and retirements will ultimately drive the pace of hiring.
#143
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Guessing Carol will give us a hint on June 9th.
#144
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Don’t think the company cares at all. As long as Dr. Carolkian gets her carbon-neutral, diamond-studded, organic and Pra(v)da-designed platinum parachute.
#146
Depending on the total size and number of CA positions on the next Vacancy bid (which has come out in June/July the last few years), the junior CA award may fall back into "new guy" territory.
#147
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Something else to keep in mind, UPS didn’t hire between 2007 and 2014. The difference in overall seniority between a late 2007 Captain and an early 2014 Captain is literally a few numbers on the master seniority list. They’re right next to eachother.
#148
As those people get closer to retirement, meet X number below them on the captains list, etc., they will upgrade. It's definitely not linear and is very dependent on the size of the vacancy bid. I think it would have to be pretty substantial to see it dip to -14 hires and below again.
#149
Bypassing no more FO here. 2004-2007 hires have had a much different experience here than those hired since 2014 (New hires). I spent YEARS sitting 12 am to 12 pm reserve on days I wanted off because I was tenuously holding the bottom seat of a fleet I was happy with. Over time the greatest thing about this company is that we all find a niche that works for us. For me, I don’t like reserve nor base trips and as such bypassed until I was assured that I would not have to experience that in my new seat. As far as the next bid goes - several of my 05/06 hire mates will be pulling the trigger. Probably a few years before we see a 5 year Captain again but who knows. The bright side is almost half of the seniority list wasn’t on property for the last contract and numbers say roughly a 1/3 of the of the to 1/2 will retire in the next 36 months, Time will tell.
#150
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Of course they are; they vividly remember the havoc and destruction during the “spend $100 to save a penny” Scott Davis’ years. Now that his loyal cheerleader has become the new “sweating assets” ceo they fear similar stagnation which explains them pulling the upgrade trigger..
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