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Ray Kinsella 01-22-2021 01:48 PM

UPS hiring to dramatically increase
 
"UPS has indicated that pilot hiring will dramatically increase this year. This will almost certainly increase the number of classes. There are two classes planned for February, and we would expect this to happen in several months this year if the hiring can keep up with the demand. Large classes will also continue to be normal."

whalesurfer 01-22-2021 01:57 PM

Was just about to respond to that statement.

So how many folks will we hire in 2021? What’s your guess?

Several years ago the company announced a goal of hiring 300 but in recent years the standard phrase you’d hear from HR folks was to “continue hiring at previous levels”.

..and we’ve only reached their previously stated goal of 300 once, in 2017 when we hired 301.

(one year their stated goal was 250 but don’t remember when?)

Actually hiring #s in the post-furlough era

‘14 - 40
‘15 - 82
‘16 - 63
‘17 - 301
‘18 - 220
‘19 - 246
‘20 - 227

(2020 actual #s are not confirmed but 227 seems to be accurate)

So how will this “dramatic increase” look like? Time will tell..

Ray Kinsella 01-22-2021 02:39 PM

325? With retirements that amounts to 10-15% of the entire list in one year. The market is sky high and we have plenty of guys maxing out retirement at 30 years.

It’s getting really old eating takeout on the road domestically and being effectively locked in hotel rooms internationally. I expect retirements to ramp up.

C2078 01-22-2021 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella (Post 3184940)
"UPS has indicated that pilot hiring will dramatically increase this year. This will almost certainly increase the number of classes. There are two classes planned for February, and we would expect this to happen in several months this year if the hiring can keep up with the demand. Large classes will also continue to be normal."

Where did you see this quote? Don’t see it anywhere in our communications.

whalesurfer 01-22-2021 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella (Post 3184965)
325? ... I expect retirements to ramp up.

Love your optimism, hope you’re right.

Watch the stock market. The early retirements right before the great recession (back then ‘early’ meant 58-59) came to a screeching halt when the markets began to drop. So let’s hope the markets keep doing well and the new ceo won’t go full scott^davis on us..

whalesurfer 01-22-2021 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by C2078 (Post 3184967)
Where did you see this quote? Don’t see it anywhere in our communications.

This was a message sent to newhire mentors. (ipa, not ups, so it’s not official as of now.)
Remember that almost every time the company either implied or actually announced increased hiring their actual numbers were much lower than predicted. So realistically speaking YMMV.

C2078 01-22-2021 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by whalesurfer (Post 3184970)
This was a message sent to newhire mentors. (ipa, not ups, so it’s not official as of now.)
Remember that almost every time the company either implied or actually announced increased hiring their actual numbers were much lower than predicted. So realistically speaking YMMV.


Thank you [emoji120]

whalesurfer 01-22-2021 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by C2078 (Post 3184973)
Thank you [emoji120]


You’re welcome [emoji137.5]

;-)

MrBobRoss 01-22-2021 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella (Post 3184965)
325? With retirements that amounts to 10-15% of the entire list in one year. The market is sky high and we have plenty of guys maxing out retirement at 30 years.

It’s getting really old eating takeout on the road domestically and being effectively locked in hotel rooms internationally. I expect retirements to ramp up.

I agree. It’s a bit of a nightmare spending an extra two hours after a 14 hour flight getting turkey basters shoved into our prefrontal cortexes. And this will go on for probably the better part of the rest of 2021 while the world Covid numbers get under control. I see a loss at the top of the seniority list akin to Larry David’s hairline

whalesurfer 01-22-2021 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by MrBobRoss (Post 3185002)
...I see a loss at the top of the seniority list akin to Larry David’s hairline

You’re saying? :D

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