Is UPS Cargo much better QOL than PAx?
12-01-2022, 02:05 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by oldboyroy
I work at Southwest, I live in base. About 50 min drive to work, pick up a lot of open time. What is stressful....going back and forth to airport, 3-4 legs a day is the worst it can get, not bad, but a lot of work up and down. I am desiring less stress of to and from. I think I rather make 2 trips a month to work and get it done with more block days off. I flew 600hrs of block this last year. A lot of flying to make that 270k. I have the perception that you all fly a lot less, though at worse times of the clock. It has been a circus show since Covid in the pax world. Our operations are to blame for all the meltdowns that cause more stress, more JAs when I should be home, unscheduled overnights, etc.
Would you work at Southwest Airlines your entire career....I just don't think I want to be flying 4 legs a day into my retirement. I have 17years left of a career.
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Would you work at Southwest Airlines your entire career....I just don't think I want to be flying 4 legs a day into my retirement. I have 17years left of a career.
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Unless you are domiciled in SoCal or Miami (does SW have a domicile there?) you would have to move to live in domicile here. That’s the only way you might significantly improve your QOL by flying here vs there. Yes, we fly far fewer block hours and the payscales, retirement, healthcare, and LTD are more generous. We also have layovers in exotic foreign locales, plus small town America. However, first year pay is a kick in the wallet for most guys and you won’t be able to hold upgrade for probably 6-7 years. You also have to be emotionally prepared to be assigned a 74 to ANC as a new hire. That commute is no joke (unless living up there appeals to you, then go for it).
12-01-2022, 03:16 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by FTv3
Yes, we tend to work longer blocks on with equivalent longer blocks off. Yes, a lot of that is at night.
Get yourself on the 74 and you’ll be happy to get a landing every now and then. Block much less than 600/yr. Circadian flips are the gotcha there.
Domestic fleets can see 3-4 legs on a duty period and more often than not it’s in the back side of the clock. 2 is probably more common but I don’t fly domestic so take that with a grain of salt. Seniority will bring you some day flying and week on week off night sort flying (kind of like stand ups/high speeds). Even more seniority will get you paid tickets to and from these trips. They’ll pretty much own you 14/28 days.
Unless you seriously game the system you’re gunna be a long way from making $270 anytime soon. According to union average total pay found on info slides from past contracts and TA’s, currently, you’re looking at over 8 yrs to make that kind of dough. Yr 1 is 60 something K.
Getting hired here will be very difficult in 2023. Maybe FedEx? Personally, I’d be looking at the legacies.
Good luck.
Get yourself on the 74 and you’ll be happy to get a landing every now and then. Block much less than 600/yr. Circadian flips are the gotcha there.
Domestic fleets can see 3-4 legs on a duty period and more often than not it’s in the back side of the clock. 2 is probably more common but I don’t fly domestic so take that with a grain of salt. Seniority will bring you some day flying and week on week off night sort flying (kind of like stand ups/high speeds). Even more seniority will get you paid tickets to and from these trips. They’ll pretty much own you 14/28 days.
Unless you seriously game the system you’re gunna be a long way from making $270 anytime soon. According to union average total pay found on info slides from past contracts and TA’s, currently, you’re looking at over 8 yrs to make that kind of dough. Yr 1 is 60 something K.
Getting hired here will be very difficult in 2023. Maybe FedEx? Personally, I’d be looking at the legacies.
Good luck.
12-02-2022, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Hellafo
Not hard to do on 3/4 year.
I work my schedule, only increase credit when it happens by trip trading for a better (more commutable) schedule and I’ve always been close to the unions “average total pay” numbers. I could pretty easily increase that with flying on days off but doing it and keeping 14-16/28 off, now that’s a magic trick.
12-02-2022, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FTv3
Share your secret sauce then. Bid with check airmen - requires seniority and a bit of luck. Conflict bidding - good for time off (IF your conflict pans out) but you can’t pickup over the footprint of conflicted trip so increases in pay requires flying on scheduled days off which doesn’t work for everyone. Play JA game essentially requires living in domicile and working on days off. The days of sitting reserve and not getting called then picking up trips on days off are long gone.
I work my schedule, only increase credit when it happens by trip trading for a better (more commutable) schedule and I’ve always been close to the unions “average total pay” numbers. I could pretty easily increase that with flying on days off but doing it and keeping 14-16/28 off, now that’s a magic trick.
I work my schedule, only increase credit when it happens by trip trading for a better (more commutable) schedule and I’ve always been close to the unions “average total pay” numbers. I could pretty easily increase that with flying on days off but doing it and keeping 14-16/28 off, now that’s a magic trick.
12-02-2022, 08:30 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by FTv3
Share your secret sauce then. Bid with check airmen - requires seniority and a bit of luck. Conflict bidding - good for time off (IF your conflict pans out) but you can’t pickup over the footprint of conflicted trip so increases in pay requires flying on scheduled days off which doesn’t work for everyone. Play JA game essentially requires living in domicile and working on days off. The days of sitting reserve and not getting called then picking up trips on days off are long gone.
I work my schedule, only increase credit when it happens by trip trading for a better (more commutable) schedule and I’ve always been close to the unions “average total pay” numbers. I could pretty easily increase that with flying on days off but doing it and keeping 14-16/28 off, now that’s a magic trick.
I work my schedule, only increase credit when it happens by trip trading for a better (more commutable) schedule and I’ve always been close to the unions “average total pay” numbers. I could pretty easily increase that with flying on days off but doing it and keeping 14-16/28 off, now that’s a magic trick.
12-02-2022, 08:31 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by fwmiv
Why is that? Hiring projections?
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12-02-2022, 09:05 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
It appears the company (as of a few days ago) is planning to slow hiring as they get a feel for which direction the economy is going. Even when we are hiring “big” numbers they are tiny compared to FedEx, Delta, United, and American.
Attempting to read between the lines, I believe the hiring outlook is dependent on the economy, but even more so how they decide to handle the MD wind down. Seems there are significant things occurring behind the scenes that could have a major impact on short term hiring. Obviously could be wrong, but that union video contained a few eye brow raising comments.
As far as hiring numbers, % is far more important than actual numbers. We are tiny compared to those legacy carriers, so our numbers are obviously smaller, but % wise, we’ve been right up there with them and exceeding them the last few years.
Last edited by flyguy23; 12-02-2022 at 09:29 AM.
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