UPS Captain Arrested in FL
07-31-2016, 10:10 AM
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Good, people like him give gun owners a terrible image; let alone at a time like this in out country.
This might be a naive question but is that grounds for automatic termination or would UPS send him to counselling or something along those lines? Just out of curiosity, I've never heard how an airline would handle something like this.
This might be a naive question but is that grounds for automatic termination or would UPS send him to counselling or something along those lines? Just out of curiosity, I've never heard how an airline would handle something like this.
07-31-2016, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by StandEmUp
This might be a naive question but is that grounds for automatic termination or would UPS send him to counselling or something along those lines? Just out of curiosity, I've never heard how an airline would handle something like this.
I saw the video, and he didn't point the weapon at anyone. It appeared that he was holding it in his hand, behind his back, took a few steps towards the vehicle, then changed his mind and went back to his car.
Depending on the state, he could be convicted of misdemeanor brandishing a weapon, which could get him some time in the county slammer. If he has a good lawyer, he could get the whole thing dropped...community service, etc.
I guess he'll cross that bridge when he gets there. The company isn't going to do a thing, unless he's convicted of a crime, and it affects his ability to perform his job. My 2 cents, anyways.
08-01-2016, 03:18 AM
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Archie,
I believe you're quite mistaken. If you take a look at the definition of the offense he's been charged with, in the state of Florida, you see that doing what he is supposed to have done, is not a misdemeanor, but an aggravated assault, and a felony. As well, if you read the definition, all it takes is for the "victim" to feel threatened, for the charge to apply. Then there's the actual video of the event, which I'd think would be hard to deny. So the question is, if he's found guilty of aggravated assault, does UPS continue to employ a felon?
I believe you're quite mistaken. If you take a look at the definition of the offense he's been charged with, in the state of Florida, you see that doing what he is supposed to have done, is not a misdemeanor, but an aggravated assault, and a felony. As well, if you read the definition, all it takes is for the "victim" to feel threatened, for the charge to apply. Then there's the actual video of the event, which I'd think would be hard to deny. So the question is, if he's found guilty of aggravated assault, does UPS continue to employ a felon?
08-01-2016, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Archie,
I believe you're quite mistaken. If you take a look at the definition of the offense he's been charged with, in the state of Florida, you see that doing what he is supposed to have done, is not a misdemeanor, but an aggravated assault, and a felony. As well, if you read the definition, all it takes is for the "victim" to feel threatened, for the charge to apply. Then there's the actual video of the event, which I'd think would be hard to deny. So the question is, if he's found guilty of aggravated assault, does UPS continue to employ a felon?
I believe you're quite mistaken. If you take a look at the definition of the offense he's been charged with, in the state of Florida, you see that doing what he is supposed to have done, is not a misdemeanor, but an aggravated assault, and a felony. As well, if you read the definition, all it takes is for the "victim" to feel threatened, for the charge to apply. Then there's the actual video of the event, which I'd think would be hard to deny. So the question is, if he's found guilty of aggravated assault, does UPS continue to employ a felon?
08-01-2016, 08:37 AM
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UPSFO4LIFE,
I hope you're right and I hope he gets off with a slap on the wrist. That said, in my previous post, I thought that I'd made it clear that I wasn't judging or convicting him at all. Just stating what the Florida law says about someone threatening someone else with a gun. Nothing more and nothing less.
I hope you're right and I hope he gets off with a slap on the wrist. That said, in my previous post, I thought that I'd made it clear that I wasn't judging or convicting him at all. Just stating what the Florida law says about someone threatening someone else with a gun. Nothing more and nothing less.
08-01-2016, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE
He makes a lot of money, will get a great lawyer and plead something in the misdemeanor range. Money talks in this country and when you come to grips with that, you will accept the fact that he will NEVER be convicted of any felony. I know the accused and don't think he is an FFDO, so I'm not sure the FAA nor UPS can or will do anything about it. Oh, and he's innocent until proven guilty.
There are two sides. You only see one side and hear one side of the story in the article. He could have felt threatened and actually was being followed? We don't know. I have a concealed carry license. When I see road rage, I just shake my head in disbelief and move on. Be responsible and let it go. Losing a life or career isn't worth it over an idiot driver.
08-01-2016, 12:58 PM
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Though I doubt it has ever been used - or if so rarely - a felony conviction could be the first step towards denial of an ATP on the basis of "good moral character". It depends on mitigating circumstances if it were to try and be enforced, but it is a block checked.
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