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#61
I'm not familiar with the Hogan test so I had to look it up. It seems it's some type of personality test? That being the case, how do you fail it, and then pass it? Your personality doesn't change per se. Or is it more of a factual type test that can be studied for and passed if you fail the first time around?
On the second attempt, the scoring logic assumes that if you are crazy enough to try again, then you are crazy enough for a job at UPS. It automatically passes if you complete the test on the second attempt.
Yes, this post is humorous. No need for the Brown cheering section to point out the obvious benefits, UPS employment vs others.
What is NOT humorous is how this Hogan test has eliminated some well qualified candidates. It is a mystery to the average line pilot ... Sorry.
#62
It depends, but a candidate can retake the exam in as little as 6 months. In other words, if a candidate had a marginal application AND they failed the Hogan, a second invite for the exam may not come until well after 6 months, if at all. If the candidate had an outstanding application and just "had a bad day" when he/she took the exam, they could get a second invite in as little as 6 months.
Clear as mud?
RB
#63
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There was a push I believe to put it on the same day of interview at some point during the F2F, not sure if that'll happen.
For the guy that asked about personality changing, depends on how they may have answered each time.
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From a VERY reliable source:
It depends, but a candidate can retake the exam in as little as 6 months. In other words, if a candidate had a marginal application AND they failed the Hogan, a second invite for the exam may not come until well after 6 months, if at all. If the candidate had an outstanding application and just "had a bad day" when he/she took the exam, they could get a second invite in as little as 6 months.
Clear as mud?
RB
It depends, but a candidate can retake the exam in as little as 6 months. In other words, if a candidate had a marginal application AND they failed the Hogan, a second invite for the exam may not come until well after 6 months, if at all. If the candidate had an outstanding application and just "had a bad day" when he/she took the exam, they could get a second invite in as little as 6 months.
Clear as mud?
RB
Supposedly the fail ratio has gone up significantly and the airline side is working hard to get rid of the test altogether as it makes no sense to them however, for now it's still there.
This is not the same test each time. It is being re-tweaked regularly and what would be correct answers on one day might be incorrect on another. ...and no, it's not as simple as "be honest and consistent and you'll do fine." Plenty of cases where different individuals answered the questions in the exact same manner and yet one candidate would pass while the other wouldn't. (comparing their answers afterwards).
This test is an embarrassment and weeds out some very high quality candidates for no reason other than fulfilling desires of a sadistic shrink out there somewhere who either designed the test or who keeps tweaking the algorithm running this ridiculous screening.
#66
We routinely hire expat pilots at UPS. We've recently hired several American pilots from Mideast carriers. While on NRT layovers (we stay at a big airline hotel, mostly Delta) the Mideast carrier guys routinely try to buy me drinks in the sports bar while picking my brain about UPS. Any pilot with heavy jet international time fits into our system. We hire a lot of non-heavy types too.
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