Missed Service

Pay being the same, why do you care if it is a widebody or a cessna caravan? The 757 is now a widebody? Alternative facts, are we?

Harry Pommes

You're killing me, MS! I'm sure you are well aware the 757 is dual qualled with the 767. Hence, the point being it's still wide body pay as you will flying a "wide body" on almost any given leg. Ray's point is still very valid. Just picking fights for no reason, huh?...

Commando

Yes, There suppose to be a Small Bid in April time frame. Could be a Mid size bid with more retiring than planned. Rumor is around 70-80 leaving. But some may wait to put in there paperwork.

According to the School house talk, too many new hires are needing extra training to get through. Like 30%! Plus 5 or so were let go or went back to there previous employer.

I think the cream of the top prospects are already gone to the Pax. carriers. With the attrition numbers there, it's a no brainer.

Ray Kinsella

That's my point. 100% of IPA captains make the big bucks while only a small percentage at the legacies will have the seniority to fly a widebody. Something to consider when comparing upgrade timelines.

FTFF

Ok,

I was at recurrent recently and there was no panic talk about new hire training issues. Seeing how we had 1 return to a previous employer (didn't they buy him back?), 1 Goto FedEx, and 2-3 fail out, 5/200 isn't a significant number. I heard some MGT guys complaining about not being able to pick guys going into the MD due to new contract. But don't forget, even first tier applicants at DAL/UAL have failed out of training.

Extra training - with all the amount of time you have been at brown and to not consider that the issue might actually be a problem with UPS training vs quality of candidates is quite interesting.

Attrition numbers: you are aware UPS has similar attrition percentages as DAL/UAL right? No brainer, sure, if you don't use your brain much to weigh out all the pros and cons Yes, there are a lot of cons here but there are a lot of pros too. UPS is still a great option for many. Regardless, DAL/UAL/FX etc., aren't in a different league than us. Ask a DAL guy to compare his benefits and vacation if you want a reality check.

BoilerUP

I've heard two former Part 91 pilots have gone back to their previous employer.

As far as training...the 757 program is the oldest training department on property and many of the instructors have decades on the plane, if not also teaching it.

I can't speak for the 757 or MD, but Bus initial felt like a 17 day program crammed into 28 days.

Commando

Just repeating what was told us during a WS. It may be true or not. Yes, Training syllabus may be the issue. I would bet a month's salary that most new hires here have interviewed at the Majors/FDX and were turned down. The legacies have been interviewing and hiring 70 a month for a couple years now, UPS is just starting. So the odds are most have already interviewed earlier at a legacy.

Flatbiller

Ahhhh.... That begs the question.... Is a Tier 1 UPS candidate comparable to a Tier 1 Delta candidate?

I'll argue that if the candidate is truly a Tier 1, then they would be at Delta and not UPS. There is "Tier 1" and then there is "UPS Tier 1" AKA.... The best of the rest.

BoilerUP

I'd take that bet.

Commando

You would lose.