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Waldo11 09-10-2008 05:42 PM

Holding Short
 
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t...Holding1-2.jpg

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/Holding1.jpg

Senior Skipper 09-10-2008 06:56 PM

Somebody forgot how to use the centerline

LOL

Nice shot.

kronan 09-10-2008 07:46 PM

it's part of the AF fuel sense initiative to save fuel by shortening the taxi time

RockyMtnFO 09-10-2008 07:53 PM

Great Shots,

Always nice to see the Tacos!

FlyOrDie 09-10-2008 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 459526)
Somebody forgot how to use the centerline

LOL

Nice shot.

He has an invisible friend. ;)

piper338 09-10-2008 08:18 PM

Its ok, I have flown with captains.. that plow their own path to where we need to go.

USMCFLYR 09-10-2008 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 459526)
Somebody forgot how to use the centerline

LOL

Nice shot.

500' staggered taxi.
Pretty standard :)

USMCFLYR

Slice 09-11-2008 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Cliffy170 (Post 459761)
Pretty standard with only one airplane?

Do you land on your half of the runway, single-ship, as well?
Is lead cleared to the cold side ... uh, nevermind.


Cliffy holding short = urinating on boots.
Self-flagellation. No excuse. Sir.

Go Tacos!

Was the picture not being taken from another Viper?

hotshot 09-11-2008 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 459837)
Was the picture not being taken from another Viper?

Looks like it was because you can see a smudge on the canopy in the upper left part of the photo.

Senior Skipper 09-11-2008 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 459600)
500' staggered taxi.
Pretty standard :)

USMCFLYR

HA!

I thought SLOP was to be used on the airways...when flying...

Slice 09-11-2008 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Cliffy170 (Post 460067)
Waldo-

Is it not true that the picture was not taken from another F-16? Hopefully, D-Model. If it is not true that the picture wasn't being taken by another viper, then was the aircraft holding short not dash-2 or another flight?
Cliff



P.S. Sorry, nothing to do today but post on APC.

It doesn't matter if it was another flight. If he was following the flight ahead, he'd still be staggered on the taxi out.

Waldo11 09-11-2008 05:28 PM

I only take a camera when I fly in the back of a D model (as far as you know :)). I was bored and tagged along on a flight this week. Lead was the D model and the two ship was staggered holding short. Centerlines don't apply to us - unless its dark.

gdpballin 09-11-2008 08:57 PM

haha great shot, Should not be long before I am in that seat....atleast I hope.

USMCFLYR 09-11-2008 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 460165)
HA!

I thought SLOP was to be used on the airways...when flying...

SLOP is used whenever you're worried about sucking up that FOD and then standing tall in front of the man explaining why you just caused a Class C mishap :(

USMCFLYR

USMCFLYR 09-11-2008 09:02 PM

[quote=Cliffy170;459761]Pretty standard with only one airplane?


Do you land on your half of the runway, single-ship, as well?
Cliffy -

Often. We have a nice carrier box all painted on the left side of the runway and even lite at night for that exact purpose. You don't? Now when I'm ready to full stop I take it to centerline.

Anyway - it looks to me that he might have been -2 of a formation and he was waiting for his lead to get into position. I wouldn't wait that long but you never know.

Or - maybe he was a single ship taking off after a flight of two. I don't know what your SOPs read. My current is 800' centerline. Most places I've flown have been 1,000' centerline or 500' staggered.

USMCFLYR

canuhvr 09-12-2008 04:46 AM

Nice shot.

Nortonious 09-12-2008 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 460315)
Anyway - it looks to me that he might have been -2 of a formation and he was waiting for his lead to get into position. I wouldn't wait that long but you never know.

You're right on with the first statement. Don't think Waldo's chauffer was waiting for #2. Single-ship Rolling T/O's are "en vogue" these days. Instead of lining up in formation on the runway, running up the engines, and launching, lead may be cleared onto hold (in a D-model in this case with a photo-taking Waldoo11in the backseat) while the rest of the 2/4-ship holds short in the appropriate off-centerline position after a staggered taxi out.

In a combat zone (ie Balad), formation t/o isn't the big one, so this is a quicker way to get your 2-ship airborne. Plus, some safety pogue said running up a 4-ship at EOR has higher probability of causing a nicked blade via FOD ingestion.

OK, horse is really dead now...


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