galaxy flyer

I agree, Zap, no airliner should be flown w/o 2 ATPs. In fact, that was the unofficial standard until the RJ operators showed up. Yes, majors, in the legacy sense, has ex-mil guys with commercials but even that was not the majority of pilots.

There is strong upward pressure in the big metro areas, esp the NYC area. I was offered 220k for a Global job, but I know the schedule and I'm not interested. But, 180-200 is the large cabin going wage for most operators. One of my guys left for 180 plus guaranteed 20% minimum bonus.

GF

RI830

What and where is your guy flying for 180K?
I see corp jobs/bosses addressing pay only as needed. You will have a myriad of guys that do or don't want to leave corporate.
The ones who don't have any desire to leave aren't going to rock the boat by interviewing outside to gain a pay raise. IMHO

galaxy flyer

As I said, Globals or Gulfstreams for 180-200k in the NYC area. There's a lot of movement.

GF

BPWI

180+ is fairly common from the Mid-Atlantic to Northern New England in the Captain IV range. I can tell you personally that I would never leave corporate for the 121 enviorment. No mattter how desperate they may get. Add me to the list with Zap. The days of the 500hr wonder are over. I'd strongly consider paying the premium for the experience level with my family aboard if push came to shove.

CheapTrick

The average hours for a new hire at my legacy last year? 8,585. The lowest #? 2300. That will change no doubt, but those are amazing numbers denoting very good experience.

ktmrooster

It seems more likely that we're in a kind of middle ground phase right now. I do believe the Pilot crunch is coming, I just don't think we're there yet. There are still plenty of experienced pilots that aren't happy with their situation. How long that supply lasts is the big question.

The university I attended for my aviation degree is only graduating a tenth of the number of pilots that I graduated with in 1994. And the local flight schools are almost all gone.

lifter123

I was fortunate to make the jump into the turbine world last year. I was hired SIC for a local 135 flying a ce550. After unsuccessful job hunting, I reverted to the tried and true method of dressing up and hand delivering resumes. I received a call the following week and interviewed shortly thereafter. During salary negotiations, I stated I was making 50k at my single engine piston survey job, and they matched my salary. I fly an average of 35 hours each month, with a fairly predictable schedule.

I did my flight training in 2008, and I don't believe this opportunity would have came in the past if it weren't for the movement we've seen recently. In my opinion, the 91/135 operators that have enjoyed the pilot glut of recent years, will be rapidly increasing pay in order to keep pilots, to therefore keep their jet owners happy.

av8n

Wow, way to go. Most companies would say, "Well...we pay 35k so I hope you'll find that satisfactory. If not happy hunting. "

Ewfflyer

+1 you must've done a great job impressing them.

lifter123

Thank you, but I really didn't do anything different than I had with other jobs in the past. I guess that is the point this thread is trying to prove, that major airline movement is really putting the squeeze on 135/corporate.