Razorback flyer

I don't know where folks are getting the idea that its easy to get a fake airline id. Sure, you can pick up a uniform from sporty's. I don't know about your id, but mine has all sorts of crap (some visable, some not) that would make it very difficult to duplicate.

Also, make sure your reading the whole letter from APA. They reccomend avoiding the scanner, but they also publicly state that continuing to put crew through the sames hoops as the pax is stupid, and that an inavsive pat down is demeaning and is that is not appropriate that passengers see us subject to it.

Personally, I think this calls for a change in uniform. We should all now report to work in flip flops, thongs, ties, and of course, hats. Overcoats will be optional for the northern climes.

Carl Spackler

The problem with your devil's advocacy is as follows:

1. If an imposter did get a uniform and an ID badge, what happens when the real pilot shows up at the aircraft? And how would imposter know to steal the ID badge that also shows up on the crew list of the flight he's trying to board?

2. Under the old system, the imposter would have to go through metal detector screening...which catches deadly weapons.

3. Why would imposter need an underwear bomb if he was actually able to make it the cockpit, and the real pilot never shows up, and the imposter is able to fool the other pilot that he knew what he was doing? If all these things aligned just perfectly, he wouldn't need an underwear bomb...because his hands would be on the controls.

It's pure government foolishness. Until we get biometric identifications, pilots in uniform should be screened by the old method. But not the new high radiation method, and certainly not public groping by high school dropouts.

Carl

forgot to bid

Um, wouldn't they see your gun T?

satchip

At the risk of ending up on YouTube with "The worlds smallest uTee tee?"

hawkesaurus

Then scrutinize the I.D. Not the pilot once his identity has been confirmed.

TeddyKGB

The "imposter" isn't going to show up at any aircraft. He is just posing so he can sneak "fluids" or god knows what else, into the secure area and then hand them off to someone who is already on the inside waiting to board a flight. It's called terrorist teamwork. Any questions?

satchip

What you mistake for leadership is actually more grandstanding from the Carl Spacklers of the world. APA's stance will have zero effect on the government. Minus all the bluster, their stance is identical to DALPA's, follow the rules and be professional.

ALPA worked and got CrewPass approved. All that is lacking is the funding, from what I understand. Was APA involved in this? I don't know.

All this has very little to do with security. If it were some sort of separation of trusted person or alternative security process would be in place. Also PC would not be a factor. This is about control of the population by the state. If we as a free people meekly submit to these incremental erosions of our liberty we will find ourselves in a society that bears no resemblance to the ones our Founders envisioned.

Carl Spackler

If that's the concern, then there's no point to even be a pilot imposter...it's unnecessarily difficult. There's FAR too many other folks that bypass screening completely that could more easily be used for the handoff scenario.

Carl

JethroFDX

After an update from our security committee I fired off an e-mail that addressed my concerns and inquired about Crew Pass and I received a prompt response. Let's hope they can get something going soon. And I believe it would help if everyone contacted their respective security committee about Crew Pass.

TeddyKGB

Because bypassing as one of the "MANY other folks" requires being an employee and having a SIDA badge. Its easier for a terrorist to pose as an imposter pilot as opposed to getting hired by XYZ Airline, passing all the security checks and then gaining employment + SIDA badge.