What's ALPA doing with windfall?
05-26-2016, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Ok, so I played his game. Went and researched that page. Everything is factually correct on it. However, nowhere does it say that the monies came from dues. All it references, very briefly, (in a pie chart,) is the money comes from donations from individuals and organizations. Maybe he is trying to hang his hat on that, but overall, that site totally disproves his rant theory.
05-26-2016, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
Why should I be forced to join a union just to get a job? 
Why should you be a part of a collectively bargained contract but not want to pay your fair share like everyone else did to secure that contract?
Don't worry, you won't have to join ALPA, but you'll sure as heck have to pay shop fees nonetheless.
No free rides, and you still have a lot to learn about this business that you're paying 12% in loans to learn.
By the way...you object to 2% union dues but pay 12% in lending. Seems like you have it figured out.
05-26-2016, 07:47 AM
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Martin obviously doesn't understand the accounting requirement ALPA has to provide the Feds. There is no legal method to intermingle PAC money with dues money. It's also illegal to use dues money for political contributions.
ALPAPAC relies solely on the contributions of individuals above and beyond dues obligations. Period.
Let it go, Martin. As Abe Lincoln said, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
ALPAPAC relies solely on the contributions of individuals above and beyond dues obligations. Period.
Let it go, Martin. As Abe Lincoln said, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
05-26-2016, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
Why should I be forced to join a union just to get a job?
You can also look at overseas operations..
05-26-2016, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
Why should I be forced to join a union just to get a job?
Last edited by blastoff; 05-26-2016 at 10:10 AM.
05-26-2016, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
Why should I be forced to join a union just to get a job?
Like others have said, go corporate, charter, etc... They LOVE non-union pilots...much easier to push around.
Better yet, do the profession a favor and quit now or educate yourself.
05-26-2016, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juice
Because why should you be able to take advantage of the benefits that union dues have afforded all pilots, and then not participate in the process?
Why should you be a part of a collectively bargained contract but not want to pay your fair share like everyone else did to secure that contract?
Why should you be a part of a collectively bargained contract but not want to pay your fair share like everyone else did to secure that contract?
Yes the unions do and have done a lot of good things. They have also done a lot of very lousy things.
But people should be free to choose whether they want to join a union or not. No one should be forced to join a union just to get a job.
Forced unionism is slavery.
05-26-2016, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
Forced unionism is slavery.
Please do us all a favor and go work for a non-union airline. Unfortunately, you'll still reap some of the benefits from ALPA setting the going wage, but not many of the quality of life and R&I benefits.
Quite frankly we don't want you in our ranks anymore than you want us. Please make sure you bring this up at all your interviews then you will likely end up at an airline that suits you perfectly.
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