Colgan Q400 Crash Outside BUF
02-13-2009, 06:41 AM
#321
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Originally Posted by flynwmn
If it turns out to be a tail stall what would do we do as line pilots to make sure that we learn from this? Do we ask our training depts to include this in annual training, add it to the sim?
02-13-2009, 06:43 AM
#322
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
Yes, this is true. Tail stall (IF that's what happened here) recovery actions according to most known FAA information is REDUCE engine power and PULL UP to recover. Normal stall recovery is increase power and PUSH or relax elevator. Completely opposite. Makes you wonder if there could be a separate system to differentiate the TYPE of stall you are encountering Wing Stall vs. Tail Stall.
Keep yer speed up, boys and girls. Speed is life.
02-13-2009, 06:44 AM
#323
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Usually a spectator here but just wanted share my thoughts and condolences as well to all the families involved this is a tradgedy for us all in the aviation industry but lets not have a flame fest guys. God Bless
02-13-2009, 06:48 AM
#324
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When I finally left the 135 world, I thought I wouldn't have to bury anymore comrades. Guess I was wrong.
Maybe I'll run through my flashcards.... tomorrow is another day.
Maybe I'll run through my flashcards.... tomorrow is another day.
02-13-2009, 06:48 AM
#325
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Come on guys. Let's be respectful. Don't jump to conclusion. And stop running your mouth.
The parrot is the only bird that talks but it doesn't fly very well.
The parrot is the only bird that talks but it doesn't fly very well.
02-13-2009, 06:49 AM
#326
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
Yes, this is true. Tail stall (IF that's what happened here) recovery actions according to most known FAA information is REDUCE engine power and PULL UP to recover. Normal stall recovery is increase power and PUSH or relax elevator. Completely opposite. Makes you wonder if there could be a separate system to differentiate the TYPE of stall you are encountering Wing Stall vs. Tail Stall.
BTW, I'm not saying it's a TPS but it makes the most sense..........RIP.
02-13-2009, 06:54 AM
#327
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On approach yesterday in a snowstorm, I was thinking tailplane ice too. Too early to tell, but I am sure it is being considered.
Mike
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02-13-2009, 06:54 AM
#328
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Maybe I'll run through my flashcards.... tomorrow is another day.
02-13-2009, 06:55 AM
#329
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
Yes, this is true. Tail stall (IF that's what happened here) recovery actions according to most known FAA information is REDUCE engine power and PULL UP to recover. Normal stall recovery is increase power and PUSH or relax elevator. Completely opposite. Makes you wonder if there could be a separate system to differentiate the TYPE of stall you are encountering Wing Stall vs. Tail Stall.
02-13-2009, 06:56 AM
#330
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I really hope the media doesn't take away from this that turbo props are not safe to fly in.
God speed to the crew and passengers.
God speed to the crew and passengers.
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