Trans States
10-25-2014, 09:35 AM
#4911
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 516
Originally Posted by RodJohnson
Whatever TUCKER CARLSON....
Originally Posted by RodJohnson
Mesa dangles dingle berries...
10-25-2014, 01:08 PM
#4912
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2014
Position: A319/320
Posts: 35
Originally Posted by RodJohnson
I agree. I was never quoted any upgrade time in my interview. The interview was professional, informative and pleasant.
10-25-2014, 01:17 PM
#4913
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Joined APC: May 2014
Position: A319/320
Posts: 35
Originally Posted by RodJohnson
Mesa dangles dingle berries...
10-25-2014, 04:36 PM
#4914
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: EMB145 Captain
Posts: 193
Wow several pages of total jerry Springer show action. That was entertaining, thabk you.
I was never promised or quoted any upgrade times at all. Infact when I asked I got the answer "your upgrade time will depend on a number of factors that are very difficult to predict"
and when I asked about future plans for growth and such I got "we are privately held and make very conservative decisions in reguard to growth, and unlike other carriers we will not take contracts or flying at a loss and hope to make it up later, our plans are to continue to do what we do now and what we have been doing which is being a small operator of 50 seat jets and we believe that reguardless of what our mainline partners may like, there will always be a small market for 50 seat jets. We will of course explore options for growth but we can make no promises"
They also commented on their training by saying it was very hard, had an abnormally high washout rate and successfully compleating it was know in the industry to be considered having proven your mettle, and nobody would doubt your ability to handle121 style training afterwards. Which I confirmed in research and then found to be totally incorrect. The training wasnt a cakewalk but it was by no means "brutal"
That was what I got, was it what I wanted to hear? No. Was it honest? Hell yes. So why did I decide to come here? Because research showed the pilot grouo to be amazing people, the notoriously bad management to be on the way out, and the contract to be really decent, all things considered. Plus I got the impression the recruiters were not doing the traditional spoon feeding me bull**** thing and were actually honest people.
Recruiting basically hit on the contract, spelled out how even as an fo for five years if it came to that I would make more money than some of the places offering immediate hireing bonuses and their privately held, been in business for decades, fiscally conservative, we know how to make money and keep our doors open nature for their why work for us argument.
a year and 3 months later, I've found nothing about recruitings statements untrue.
We have alot of good people working here, on contract has improved slightly and our union is constantly hard at work on the next improment and implementation, our management is handeled by decent real human beings that understand we are also human beings and treat us with respect while still doing to job of being management. Keith Stamper, Lee Stelzner, Jim Evans, and now John Walsh are all good people. Our union also is filled with good people. Quality of life at trans states is good and getting better, a statement even two years ago nobody on earth would be able to honestly say. Sure we have room to improve but ive looked at many other options very recently as you may have seen from my posts around here on other threads and im voluntarily still at trans states and short of a legacy job offer that is probably still a few years away im planning on staying here.
I cant be the only person here that honestly has no serious complaints about this place. Ive only been a line holder for a few months and sure not flying much while on reserve was annoying cause we're all trying to get that time but even as a reserve here quality of life was pretty decent.
But, im not old and jaded, I haven't been swallowed up and spit out by this industry like so many others, and I still love to fly airplanes which is what I came here to do so maybe im totally in the minority here.
Im broke as **** but I still have hope for the future and know there are 1000s of pilots out there who are just as broke as I an and some have it way worse. I interviewed in april 2013.
Please excuse mt typos. I typed this whole thing on an aging mobile phone.
I was never promised or quoted any upgrade times at all. Infact when I asked I got the answer "your upgrade time will depend on a number of factors that are very difficult to predict"
and when I asked about future plans for growth and such I got "we are privately held and make very conservative decisions in reguard to growth, and unlike other carriers we will not take contracts or flying at a loss and hope to make it up later, our plans are to continue to do what we do now and what we have been doing which is being a small operator of 50 seat jets and we believe that reguardless of what our mainline partners may like, there will always be a small market for 50 seat jets. We will of course explore options for growth but we can make no promises"
They also commented on their training by saying it was very hard, had an abnormally high washout rate and successfully compleating it was know in the industry to be considered having proven your mettle, and nobody would doubt your ability to handle121 style training afterwards. Which I confirmed in research and then found to be totally incorrect. The training wasnt a cakewalk but it was by no means "brutal"
That was what I got, was it what I wanted to hear? No. Was it honest? Hell yes. So why did I decide to come here? Because research showed the pilot grouo to be amazing people, the notoriously bad management to be on the way out, and the contract to be really decent, all things considered. Plus I got the impression the recruiters were not doing the traditional spoon feeding me bull**** thing and were actually honest people.
Recruiting basically hit on the contract, spelled out how even as an fo for five years if it came to that I would make more money than some of the places offering immediate hireing bonuses and their privately held, been in business for decades, fiscally conservative, we know how to make money and keep our doors open nature for their why work for us argument.
a year and 3 months later, I've found nothing about recruitings statements untrue.
We have alot of good people working here, on contract has improved slightly and our union is constantly hard at work on the next improment and implementation, our management is handeled by decent real human beings that understand we are also human beings and treat us with respect while still doing to job of being management. Keith Stamper, Lee Stelzner, Jim Evans, and now John Walsh are all good people. Our union also is filled with good people. Quality of life at trans states is good and getting better, a statement even two years ago nobody on earth would be able to honestly say. Sure we have room to improve but ive looked at many other options very recently as you may have seen from my posts around here on other threads and im voluntarily still at trans states and short of a legacy job offer that is probably still a few years away im planning on staying here.
I cant be the only person here that honestly has no serious complaints about this place. Ive only been a line holder for a few months and sure not flying much while on reserve was annoying cause we're all trying to get that time but even as a reserve here quality of life was pretty decent.
But, im not old and jaded, I haven't been swallowed up and spit out by this industry like so many others, and I still love to fly airplanes which is what I came here to do so maybe im totally in the minority here.
Im broke as **** but I still have hope for the future and know there are 1000s of pilots out there who are just as broke as I an and some have it way worse. I interviewed in april 2013.
Please excuse mt typos. I typed this whole thing on an aging mobile phone.
Last edited by DegeReguard; 10-25-2014 at 04:38 PM. Reason: Tried to fix a few typos
10-25-2014, 04:58 PM
#4915
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 703
Originally Posted by DegeReguard
Wow several pages of total jerry Springer show action. That was entertaining, thabk you.
I was never promised or quoted any upgrade times at all. Infact when I asked I got the answer "your upgrade time will depend on a number of factors that are very difficult to predict"
and when I asked about future plans for growth and such I got "we are privately held and make very conservative decisions in reguard to growth, and unlike other carriers we will not take contracts or flying at a loss and hope to make it up later, our plans are to continue to do what we do now and what we have been doing which is being a small operator of 50 seat jets and we believe that reguardless of what our mainline partners may like, there will always be a small market for 50 seat jets. We will of course explore options for growth but we can make no promises"
They also commented on their training by saying it was very hard, had an abnormally high washout rate and successfully compleating it was know in the industry to be considered having proven your mettle, and nobody would doubt your ability to handle121 style training afterwards. Which I confirmed in research and then found to be totally incorrect. The training wasnt a cakewalk but it was by no means "brutal"
That was what I got, was it what I wanted to hear? No. Was it honest? Hell yes. So why did I decide to come here? Because research showed the pilot grouo to be amazing people, the notoriously bad management to be on the way out, and the contract to be really decent, all things considered. Plus I got the impression the recruiters were not doing the traditional spoon feeding me bull**** thing and were actually honest people.
Recruiting basically hit on the contract, spelled out how even as an fo for five years if it came to that I would make more money than some of the places offering immediate hireing bonuses and their privately held, been in business for decades, fiscally conservative, we know how to make money and keep our doors open nature for their why work for us argument.
a year and 3 months later, I've found nothing about recruitings statements untrue.
We have alot of good people working here, on contract has improved slightly and our union is constantly hard at work on the next improment and implementation, our management is handeled by decent real human beings that understand we are also human beings and treat us with respect while still doing to job of being management. Keith Stamper, Lee Stelzner, Jim Evans, and now John Walsh are all good people. Our union also is filled with good people. Quality of life at trans states is good and getting better, a statement even two years ago nobody on earth would be able to honestly say. Sure we have room to improve but ive looked at many other options very recently as you may have seen from my posts around here on other threads and im voluntarily still at trans states and short of a legacy job offer that is probably still a few years away im planning on staying here.
I cant be the only person here that honestly has no serious complaints about this place. Ive only been a line holder for a few months and sure not flying much while on reserve was annoying cause we're all trying to get that time but even as a reserve here quality of life was pretty decent.
But, im not old and jaded, I haven't been swallowed up and spit out by this industry like so many others, and I still love to fly airplanes which is what I came here to do so maybe im totally in the minority here.
Im broke as **** but I still have hope for the future and know there are 1000s of pilots out there who are just as broke as I an and some have it way worse. I interviewed in april 2013.
Please excuse mt typos. I typed this whole thing on an aging mobile phone.
I was never promised or quoted any upgrade times at all. Infact when I asked I got the answer "your upgrade time will depend on a number of factors that are very difficult to predict"
and when I asked about future plans for growth and such I got "we are privately held and make very conservative decisions in reguard to growth, and unlike other carriers we will not take contracts or flying at a loss and hope to make it up later, our plans are to continue to do what we do now and what we have been doing which is being a small operator of 50 seat jets and we believe that reguardless of what our mainline partners may like, there will always be a small market for 50 seat jets. We will of course explore options for growth but we can make no promises"
They also commented on their training by saying it was very hard, had an abnormally high washout rate and successfully compleating it was know in the industry to be considered having proven your mettle, and nobody would doubt your ability to handle121 style training afterwards. Which I confirmed in research and then found to be totally incorrect. The training wasnt a cakewalk but it was by no means "brutal"
That was what I got, was it what I wanted to hear? No. Was it honest? Hell yes. So why did I decide to come here? Because research showed the pilot grouo to be amazing people, the notoriously bad management to be on the way out, and the contract to be really decent, all things considered. Plus I got the impression the recruiters were not doing the traditional spoon feeding me bull**** thing and were actually honest people.
Recruiting basically hit on the contract, spelled out how even as an fo for five years if it came to that I would make more money than some of the places offering immediate hireing bonuses and their privately held, been in business for decades, fiscally conservative, we know how to make money and keep our doors open nature for their why work for us argument.
a year and 3 months later, I've found nothing about recruitings statements untrue.
We have alot of good people working here, on contract has improved slightly and our union is constantly hard at work on the next improment and implementation, our management is handeled by decent real human beings that understand we are also human beings and treat us with respect while still doing to job of being management. Keith Stamper, Lee Stelzner, Jim Evans, and now John Walsh are all good people. Our union also is filled with good people. Quality of life at trans states is good and getting better, a statement even two years ago nobody on earth would be able to honestly say. Sure we have room to improve but ive looked at many other options very recently as you may have seen from my posts around here on other threads and im voluntarily still at trans states and short of a legacy job offer that is probably still a few years away im planning on staying here.
I cant be the only person here that honestly has no serious complaints about this place. Ive only been a line holder for a few months and sure not flying much while on reserve was annoying cause we're all trying to get that time but even as a reserve here quality of life was pretty decent.
But, im not old and jaded, I haven't been swallowed up and spit out by this industry like so many others, and I still love to fly airplanes which is what I came here to do so maybe im totally in the minority here.
Im broke as **** but I still have hope for the future and know there are 1000s of pilots out there who are just as broke as I an and some have it way worse. I interviewed in april 2013.
Please excuse mt typos. I typed this whole thing on an aging mobile phone.
10-25-2014, 05:01 PM
#4916
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 360
The last several pages were pretty...childish. But, I am curious: what did ArcherDrvr do to get terminated? If someone knows, but doesn't want to post it on here, feel free to PM me. I'm just curious.
As for a couple of other posters' comments: getting fired from TSA is actually quite easy. Until Keith Stamper showed up, they had a reputation for ridiculous terminations. I was only there a short time, and witnessed more than one. But, it has improved. Keith is a good guy, as was Jim. Hopefully the trend continues.
FWIW, when I was recruited (winter of 2012/13), Mike was pretty honest, but I can say that I knew someone "upstairs" that was able to give me a bit of information re: upgrades that made my decision to go to TSA easier. That info was accurate.
Having said that, TSA went to a 2 day recruiting event recently in SFO and, if my information is correct, walked away with only 4 resumes/applications. That does not bode well for the company down the road. Someone is going to need to do something to make it more enticing to go there.
As for a couple of other posters' comments: getting fired from TSA is actually quite easy. Until Keith Stamper showed up, they had a reputation for ridiculous terminations. I was only there a short time, and witnessed more than one. But, it has improved. Keith is a good guy, as was Jim. Hopefully the trend continues.
FWIW, when I was recruited (winter of 2012/13), Mike was pretty honest, but I can say that I knew someone "upstairs" that was able to give me a bit of information re: upgrades that made my decision to go to TSA easier. That info was accurate.
Having said that, TSA went to a 2 day recruiting event recently in SFO and, if my information is correct, walked away with only 4 resumes/applications. That does not bode well for the company down the road. Someone is going to need to do something to make it more enticing to go there.
10-25-2014, 05:26 PM
#4917
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: A320 First Officer
Posts: 48
I think part of it has to do with the fact that we only "currently" fly 50 seat RJ's. From what I gather and it's pretty sad but I don't hear of a shortage of resumes to go fly the Embraer 175 at those respective regionals. Not to say that United or TSA can't or won't find that market of 50 seat flying but it raises question to some that may just be entering the industry. The pilot factories love to advertise the Big E-Jet and guess it's working. On a side note, thus far I've enjoyed the crews that I have flown with and it could definitely be worse.
10-25-2014, 06:18 PM
#4918
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: EMB145 Captain
Posts: 193
Originally Posted by OnCenterline
The last several pages were pretty...childish. But, I am curious: what did ArcherDrvr do to get terminated? If someone knows, but doesn't want to post it on here, feel free to PM me. I'm just curious.
As for a couple of other posters' comments: getting fired from TSA is actually quite easy. Until Keith Stamper showed up, they had a reputation for ridiculous terminations. I was only there a short time, and witnessed more than one. But, it has improved. Keith is a good guy, as was Jim. Hopefully the trend continues.
FWIW, when I was recruited (winter of 2012/13), Mike was pretty honest, but I can say that I knew someone "upstairs" that was able to give me a bit of information re: upgrades that made my decision to go to TSA easier. That info was accurate.
Having said that, TSA went to a 2 day recruiting event recently in SFO and, if my information is correct, walked away with only 4 resumes/applications. That does not bode well for the company down the road. Someone is going to need to do something to make it more enticing to go there.
As for a couple of other posters' comments: getting fired from TSA is actually quite easy. Until Keith Stamper showed up, they had a reputation for ridiculous terminations. I was only there a short time, and witnessed more than one. But, it has improved. Keith is a good guy, as was Jim. Hopefully the trend continues.
FWIW, when I was recruited (winter of 2012/13), Mike was pretty honest, but I can say that I knew someone "upstairs" that was able to give me a bit of information re: upgrades that made my decision to go to TSA easier. That info was accurate.
Having said that, TSA went to a 2 day recruiting event recently in SFO and, if my information is correct, walked away with only 4 resumes/applications. That does not bode well for the company down the road. Someone is going to need to do something to make it more enticing to go there.
10-25-2014, 07:07 PM
#4919
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: SIC
Posts: 1,367
Originally Posted by OnCenterline
Having said that, TSA went to a 2 day recruiting event recently in SFO and, if my information is correct, walked away with only 4 resumes/applications. That does not bode well for the company down the road. Someone is going to need to do something to make it more enticing to go there.
Wait, did you just suggest to throw money at the problem?
10-25-2014, 07:56 PM
#4920
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 504
Originally Posted by OnCenterline
The last several pages were pretty...childish. But, I am curious: what did ArcherDrvr do to get terminated? If someone knows, but doesn't want to post it on here, feel free to PM me. I'm just curious.
As for a couple of other posters' comments: getting fired from TSA is actually quite easy. Until Keith Stamper showed up, they had a reputation for ridiculous terminations. I was only there a short time, and witnessed more than one. But, it has improved. Keith is a good guy, as was Jim. Hopefully the trend continues.
FWIW, when I was recruited (winter of 2012/13), Mike was pretty honest, but I can say that I knew someone "upstairs" that was able to give me a bit of information re: upgrades that made my decision to go to TSA easier. That info was accurate.
Having said that, TSA went to a 2 day recruiting event recently in SFO and, if my information is correct, walked away with only 4 resumes/applications. That does not bode well for the company down the road. Someone is going to need to do something to make it more enticing to go there.
As for a couple of other posters' comments: getting fired from TSA is actually quite easy. Until Keith Stamper showed up, they had a reputation for ridiculous terminations. I was only there a short time, and witnessed more than one. But, it has improved. Keith is a good guy, as was Jim. Hopefully the trend continues.
FWIW, when I was recruited (winter of 2012/13), Mike was pretty honest, but I can say that I knew someone "upstairs" that was able to give me a bit of information re: upgrades that made my decision to go to TSA easier. That info was accurate.
Having said that, TSA went to a 2 day recruiting event recently in SFO and, if my information is correct, walked away with only 4 resumes/applications. That does not bode well for the company down the road. Someone is going to need to do something to make it more enticing to go there.
Mike is doing a great job. He is interviewing guys who are close to ATP numbers but just short. He is doing thing most other airlines don't. I think it will work. Time will tell.
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