Airlines Offering ATP CTP Course Aug15
09-02-2015, 07:37 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by FastLane
Just
We were here a total of 12-13 days. Your sims are not back to back days, you'll have days off between sims depending on size of CTP class and the availability of sims.
ABSOLUTELY no ATP written test prep is included in the CTP course. Get Shepherd Air to study. Next to nothing from this course will prepare you for the written test.
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We were here a total of 12-13 days. Your sims are not back to back days, you'll have days off between sims depending on size of CTP class and the availability of sims.
ABSOLUTELY no ATP written test prep is included in the CTP course. Get Shepherd Air to study. Next to nothing from this course will prepare you for the written test.
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AWAC also includes online test prep as part of the class...no out of pocket cost.
09-02-2015, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FODhopper
AWAC brings you on as an employee...except for Sims in CLT. for the CTP requirement..you spend all your time in ATW from the start of CTP to after you finish Indoc and Systems...then it is back to CLT for your initial sim...no shuffling off to a third party location.
AWAC also includes online test prep as part of the class...no out of pocket cost.
AWAC also includes online test prep as part of the class...no out of pocket cost.
09-03-2015, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX
We do the same thing. Just curious, do your ctp guys and gals get paid while in training for their ATP? Ours don't.
09-14-2015, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Red
Endeavor will hire with out the ATP written and pay for you to attend a course including hotel.
09-25-2015, 02:10 PM
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ATP CTP discovery...
I'm a recently retired F/A-18 pilot with over 3000 hrs, and could not for the life of me understand why I'd be required to pay $5000 (plus lodging, etc) to take a week long course covering, weather, etc.
The ATP CTP Course providers are quick to point out that they do NOT prepare you for the ATP written exam. So this seemed to me to be a very big waste of money and oversight by FAA folks that wrote the rule. At a minimum, the rule does not meet the intent when taking into consideration the years of flight training a military pilot has already attained.
So, here is my discovery which was confirmed by the local FSDO:
CFR 61.41 states:
§61.41 Flight training received from flight instructors not certificated by the FAA.
(a) A person may credit flight training toward the requirements of a pilot certificate or rating issued under this part, if that person received the training from:
(1) A flight instructor of an Armed Force in a program for training military pilots of either—
(i) The United States; or...
In other words, military pilots are not required to take the ATP CTP course in order to take the ATP Written Exam.
Would be interested to hear any counters to this interpretation if there are any.
I'm a recently retired F/A-18 pilot with over 3000 hrs, and could not for the life of me understand why I'd be required to pay $5000 (plus lodging, etc) to take a week long course covering, weather, etc.
The ATP CTP Course providers are quick to point out that they do NOT prepare you for the ATP written exam. So this seemed to me to be a very big waste of money and oversight by FAA folks that wrote the rule. At a minimum, the rule does not meet the intent when taking into consideration the years of flight training a military pilot has already attained.
So, here is my discovery which was confirmed by the local FSDO:
CFR 61.41 states:
§61.41 Flight training received from flight instructors not certificated by the FAA.
(a) A person may credit flight training toward the requirements of a pilot certificate or rating issued under this part, if that person received the training from:
(1) A flight instructor of an Armed Force in a program for training military pilots of either—
(i) The United States; or...
In other words, military pilots are not required to take the ATP CTP course in order to take the ATP Written Exam.
Would be interested to hear any counters to this interpretation if there are any.
09-25-2015, 05:24 PM
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I agree that for someone who has made it through military flight training this course redundant. However:
So while the training from a military IP can be used to fill the flight training requirements everyone must complete an ATP CTP to take the written test.
§61.156 Training requirements: Airplane category—multiengine class rating or airplane type rating concurrently with airline transport pilot certificate.
After July 31, 2014, a person who applies for the knowledge test for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating must present a graduation certificate from an authorized training provider under part 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter certifying the applicant has completed the following training in a course approved by the Administrator.
After July 31, 2014, a person who applies for the knowledge test for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating must present a graduation certificate from an authorized training provider under part 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter certifying the applicant has completed the following training in a course approved by the Administrator.
09-25-2015, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Knite01
ATP CTP discovery...
I'm a recently retired F/A-18 pilot with over 3000 hrs, and could not for the life of me understand why I'd be required to pay $5000 (plus lodging, etc) to take a week long course covering, weather, etc.
The ATP CTP Course providers are quick to point out that they do NOT prepare you for the ATP written exam. So this seemed to me to be a very big waste of money and oversight by FAA folks that wrote the rule. At a minimum, the rule does not meet the intent when taking into consideration the years of flight training a military pilot has already attained.
So, here is my discovery which was confirmed by the local FSDO:
CFR 61.41 states:
§61.41 Flight training received from flight instructors not certificated by the FAA.
(a) A person may credit flight training toward the requirements of a pilot certificate or rating issued under this part, if that person received the training from:
(1) A flight instructor of an Armed Force in a program for training military pilots of either—
(i) The United States; or...
In other words, military pilots are not required to take the ATP CTP course in order to take the ATP Written Exam.
Would be interested to hear any counters to this interpretation if there are any.
I'm a recently retired F/A-18 pilot with over 3000 hrs, and could not for the life of me understand why I'd be required to pay $5000 (plus lodging, etc) to take a week long course covering, weather, etc.
The ATP CTP Course providers are quick to point out that they do NOT prepare you for the ATP written exam. So this seemed to me to be a very big waste of money and oversight by FAA folks that wrote the rule. At a minimum, the rule does not meet the intent when taking into consideration the years of flight training a military pilot has already attained.
So, here is my discovery which was confirmed by the local FSDO:
CFR 61.41 states:
§61.41 Flight training received from flight instructors not certificated by the FAA.
(a) A person may credit flight training toward the requirements of a pilot certificate or rating issued under this part, if that person received the training from:
(1) A flight instructor of an Armed Force in a program for training military pilots of either—
(i) The United States; or...
In other words, military pilots are not required to take the ATP CTP course in order to take the ATP Written Exam.
Would be interested to hear any counters to this interpretation if there are any.
Just go to a regional, get the ATP written, ATP, and type ride done paid for by the company, check all those blocks and the 121 block and then enjoy your interview at DAL. I've heard of dudes using the GI bill to get it all done too.
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