Qatar B773 hits approach lights MIA
09-17-2015, 04:36 PM
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Qatar B773 incident at KMIA
A Qatar Airways Boeing 777-300, registration A7-BAC performing flight QR-778 from Miami,FL (USA) to Doha (Qatar), lined up runway 09 at taxiway T1 (approximately 2600 meters/8500 feet takeoff distance available, full runway length 3968 meters/13,016 feet) and departed Miami's runway 09 but struck the approach lights runway 27 during departure. Both tower, departure controllers as well as crew maintained routine communication. The aircraft continued to destination for a landing without further incident about 13.5 hours later.
On Sep 17th 2015 the FAA reported the aircraft struck approach lights on departure from Miami and continued to destination. The aircraft received substantial damage to its belly, the occurrence was rated an accident.
On Sep 17th 2015 the FAA reported the aircraft struck approach lights on departure from Miami and continued to destination. The aircraft received substantial damage to its belly, the occurrence was rated an accident.
09-17-2015, 04:55 PM
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Qatar B773 hits approach lights MIA
Accident: Qatar B773 at Miami on Sep 15th 2015, struck approach lights on departure
By Simon Hradecky, created Thursday, Sep 17th 2015 14:02Z, last updated Thursday, Sep 17th 2015 20:11Z
A Qatar Airways Boeing 777-300, registration A7-BAC performing flight QR-778 from Miami,FL (USA) to Doha (Qatar), lined up runway 09 at taxiway T1 (approximately 2600 meters/8500 feet takeoff distance available, full runway length 3968 meters/13,016 feet) and departed Miami's runway 09 but struck the approach lights runway 27 during departure. Both tower, departure controllers as well as crew maintained routine communication. The aircraft continued to destination for a landing without further incident about 13.5 hours later.
On Sep 17th 2015 the FAA reported the aircraft struck approach lights on departure from Miami and continued to destination. The aircraft received substantial damage to its belly, the occurrence was rated an accident.
Related NOTAMs:
09/160 (A3018/15) - RWY 27 ALS U/S. 16 SEP 18:28 2015 UNTIL 16 OCT 20:00 2015 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 16 SEP 18:28 2015
09/159 (A3017/15) - RWY 27 ALS U/S. 16 SEP 17:55 2015 UNTIL 16 OCT 20:00 2015. CREATED: 16 SEP 17:55 2015
By Simon Hradecky, created Thursday, Sep 17th 2015 14:02Z, last updated Thursday, Sep 17th 2015 20:11Z
A Qatar Airways Boeing 777-300, registration A7-BAC performing flight QR-778 from Miami,FL (USA) to Doha (Qatar), lined up runway 09 at taxiway T1 (approximately 2600 meters/8500 feet takeoff distance available, full runway length 3968 meters/13,016 feet) and departed Miami's runway 09 but struck the approach lights runway 27 during departure. Both tower, departure controllers as well as crew maintained routine communication. The aircraft continued to destination for a landing without further incident about 13.5 hours later.
On Sep 17th 2015 the FAA reported the aircraft struck approach lights on departure from Miami and continued to destination. The aircraft received substantial damage to its belly, the occurrence was rated an accident.
Related NOTAMs:
09/160 (A3018/15) - RWY 27 ALS U/S. 16 SEP 18:28 2015 UNTIL 16 OCT 20:00 2015 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 16 SEP 18:28 2015
09/159 (A3017/15) - RWY 27 ALS U/S. 16 SEP 17:55 2015 UNTIL 16 OCT 20:00 2015. CREATED: 16 SEP 17:55 2015
09-20-2015, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by brianb
Another dumb dumb move by professionals.
Nice to throw pilots under the bus without the facts.
It would appear that there was a huge human factors trap in the OPT that helped to cause this incident.
Waiting for more information to come out.
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09-20-2015, 05:32 PM
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More likely a classic series of errors leading up to almost a disaster. Possibilities could include, long flight followed by inadequate rest, unfamiliarity with location, language difficulties, take off data calculations, making a wrong turn, etc. We might never know, without all available information, some of which is already earased. Glad everyone made it, but they should have been back at the gate in Miami if the crew or ATC had even suspected the aircraft struck anything!
I suspect the crew don't work for Quatar Airways any longer, having heard of their company culture.
Thank goodness nobody on the flight, or on the ground was hurt, and hopefully lessons are learned from this. Very disturbing event.
I suspect the crew don't work for Quatar Airways any longer, having heard of their company culture.
Thank goodness nobody on the flight, or on the ground was hurt, and hopefully lessons are learned from this. Very disturbing event.
09-21-2015, 06:36 AM
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Qatar 777 Hits Approach Lights On Miami Takeoff - AVweb flash Article
I haven't been able to understand whether there was communication with the airliner immediately after the mishap that they had in fact hit the approach lights, or if the crew was not aware of the fact that they had hit the lights until they landed and were informed of the damage.
Is it possible that the crew might have been unaware - would not have felt the impact?
I imagine the tower was watching as this -777 approach the end of the runway still on the ground and probably witnessed the collision and immediately informed the crew/departure.
In any case - as is usually speculated on this board - the last sentence certainly clears it up that many media types survey the boards after such an incident.
The FAA is investigating and the NTSB is reportedly about to get involved after an incident in which a Qatar Airlines Boeing 777 hit approach lights while taking off from Miami International Airport last week. The aircraft apparently took off from an intersection with a midfield taxiway, leaving less than two-thirds the normal runway length of 13,000 feet. It would be unusual (although not impossible) for an intersection departure (8,500 feet available) for a flight of this duration (7,700 miles) in this aircraft.
According to the Doha News, airline officials found "substantial" damage to the belly of the airplane at the other end and several approach lights were destroyed by the collision. Qatar reported the incident to the FAA two days after the mishap and hasn't commented on it. The FAA has listed it as an accident and airline pilot forums have lit up with speculation on how it happened and how close a call it was.
According to the Doha News, airline officials found "substantial" damage to the belly of the airplane at the other end and several approach lights were destroyed by the collision. Qatar reported the incident to the FAA two days after the mishap and hasn't commented on it. The FAA has listed it as an accident and airline pilot forums have lit up with speculation on how it happened and how close a call it was.
Is it possible that the crew might have been unaware - would not have felt the impact?
I imagine the tower was watching as this -777 approach the end of the runway still on the ground and probably witnessed the collision and immediately informed the crew/departure.
In any case - as is usually speculated on this board - the last sentence certainly clears it up that many media types survey the boards after such an incident.
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