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07-27-2014, 08:58 PM

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CRM114

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Originally Posted by Pkcola

You need to stop shooting before understand what your shooting at

Always good advice, buddy, I'll re-read.

There've been many membership ratification votes on the UA property, and most of them have created more problems than they've solved. Reps are quite capable of receiving line pilot sentiment and rendering a vote on the pilots behalf.

07-27-2014, 11:09 PM

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Huge potential for abuse by the company. Details need to be disclosed before we consider any kind of satellite or virtual domiciles. UAL can't get the normal contract straight. What makes anyone think they can get this right?

07-28-2014, 03:11 AM

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Apology accepted! Curious - when you say "membership ratification votes" you mean when our elected representatives vote for us not that EACH PILOT GETS A VOTE - Right? I only ask because a couple of newhires have joined this thread.

Historically, within ALPA, "membership" ratification is just that: the rank-and-file cast the votes (ex: CBA), as opposed to "MEC" ratification (ex: new policy). At my previous carrier, the MEC made a big show of making sure everyone understood the distinction.

07-28-2014, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald

For a major hub and spoke airline with multiple fleet types satellite basing only works under two conditions. No reserve pilots needed(find own replacement if sick) and the ability to pull the base down at any time if marketing makes equipment changes without triggering displacement benefits.

07-28-2014, 04:41 AM

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Just give us a base in Florida and I'll be happy.

07-28-2014, 05:08 AM

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Since you have the inside track to all things ALPA, please give us ONE SINGLE ISSUE VOTE the RANK-IN-FILE (here at good ol' United) has voted on?

Is you old airline CAL?

I've only been at UA a year (which I have made clear elsewhere already), so I can't speak to that. And no, the old airline was not CAL. I was simply explaining the difference between the two.

Every airline and every MEC does a few things differently...and I'm still learning the ropes here.

07-28-2014, 10:48 AM

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Is there more?

ESOP mid-term pay negotiations (X2), C2000, ERP1, ERP 2, C2003, C2005, furloughee benefits, LCO work rules (X2), SLI assessment, UPA to name a few off the top of my head.

07-28-2014, 01:42 PM

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PK

Of the several RJ issues over the years we did have one put to the pilots for a vote, if my memory serves me correctly.

Of course we also had the one signed behind our backs by I believe PW.

07-28-2014, 01:46 PM

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I am noticing a trend here. Many seem to think the form of government we have with ALPA is a democracy where everything has to be voted upon. Well in reality we have a representative form of government. What this means is we empower our associated council reps to act on our behalf. This also means, outside of required membership ratification issues, they can vote on a subject in a manner which may seem against our desires because they have "better" and more "valid" information from which to decide with.

Of course many pilots want control over the minutia and forget this.

07-28-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pkcola

Correct, those are all contract/money issues and require pilot ratification.

The standard for whether to send something out for membership ratification is in the flow chart on page 133 of the MEC policy manual and it states, 'Does the TA substantially wages, working conditions?'