Satellite basing
07-27-2014 | 04:22 PM
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You need to stop shooting before understand what your shooting at there buddy. I am impressed with your knowledge of pieces ALPA's role on the property, but maybe a little more content reading would do some good.
Have you heard that there's a union on the property? Specifically, ALPA? Ya see the way it works is pilots vote for a representative, the reps then act as the proxy for each pilot.
To whine that you're not getting to vote on single issues is to ignore the reality of the system that we work with and through.
To whine that you're not getting to vote on single issues is to ignore the reality of the system that we work with and through.
You need to stop shooting before understand what your shooting at there buddy. I am impressed with your knowledge of pieces ALPA's role on the property, but maybe a little more content reading would do some good.
07-27-2014 | 06:06 PM
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I'm relatively new to UA, but this is by no means my first rodeo, and I have quite a bit of dealings with ALPA. An MEC can put whatever they want out for a vote, or they can survey it, or they can do a combination.
This is a pretty big issue, and one that could be worth being put out for a vote if it gets to the point of being seriously discussed and developed. It wouldn't--and likely couldn't--benefit everyone or work the way we all want it to, and if it failed, it could be a huge expense. But other carriers have done some form of virtual basing, and I personally believe that in some form or fashion, it can work. It's a bit of outside-the-box thinking, and I like that.
I'd just like to have some idea of what the working concept is, and what the real obstacles are.
This is a pretty big issue, and one that could be worth being put out for a vote if it gets to the point of being seriously discussed and developed. It wouldn't--and likely couldn't--benefit everyone or work the way we all want it to, and if it failed, it could be a huge expense. But other carriers have done some form of virtual basing, and I personally believe that in some form or fashion, it can work. It's a bit of outside-the-box thinking, and I like that.
I'd just like to have some idea of what the working concept is, and what the real obstacles are.
07-27-2014 | 06:31 PM
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Like I stated earlier, I've never seen a single issue vote put out to the pilots unless you want to consider the CBA a single issue. It's just history and it's not likely to change.
07-27-2014 | 08:58 PM
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Always good advice, buddy, I'll re-read.
There've been many membership ratification votes on the UA property, and most of them have created more problems than they've solved. Reps are quite capable of receiving line pilot sentiment and rendering a vote on the pilots behalf.
There've been many membership ratification votes on the UA property, and most of them have created more problems than they've solved. Reps are quite capable of receiving line pilot sentiment and rendering a vote on the pilots behalf.
07-27-2014 | 11:09 PM
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Huge potential for abuse by the company. Details need to be disclosed before we consider any kind of satellite or virtual domiciles. UAL can't get the normal contract straight. What makes anyone think they can get this right?
07-27-2014 | 11:59 PM
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Always good advice, buddy, I'll re-read.
There've been many membership ratification votes on the UA property, and most of them have created more problems than they've solved. Reps are quite capable of receiving line pilot sentiment and rendering a vote on the pilots behalf.
There've been many membership ratification votes on the UA property, and most of them have created more problems than they've solved. Reps are quite capable of receiving line pilot sentiment and rendering a vote on the pilots behalf.
07-28-2014 | 03:11 AM
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Historically, within ALPA, "membership" ratification is just that: the rank-and-file cast the votes (ex: CBA), as opposed to "MEC" ratification (ex: new policy). At my previous carrier, the MEC made a big show of making sure everyone understood the distinction.
07-28-2014 | 04:00 AM
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For a major hub and spoke airline with multiple fleet types satellite basing only works under two conditions. No reserve pilots needed(find own replacement if sick) and the ability to pull the base down at any time if marketing makes equipment changes without triggering displacement benefits.
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