Originally Posted by
scambo1
Bar;
I think that sending your instructors out in an extra 300 is cool, but the Extra flies in unusual attitudes all the time and is made to do that, recover, re-enter, etc. all day long.
Some airliners are so pathetically aerodynamic - outside the normal envelope - they need strakes, and mods just to make them pass faa certification - forget fly upside down for a sortie.
I agree, as a minimum standard of private pilot certification, spins are very important...I dont know why they deleted them. How do you get out of a spin if all you have done is been briefed on it?
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
That's kind of the point I was making with the Compass flow up guys who where having trouble on the older generation Delta equipment.
All this is making me wonder if the transition the other way (Boeing to Bus) is equally "different."
One point, with all this talk of stalls and spins is, in the civilian world spins just are not taught any more. Given the number of commercial pilots who have departed controlled flight recently it would appear a must that some time in a pilot's training they spin a few airplanes. One regional sent their IP's out to spend a few hours in an Extra 300 before teaching upset recovery training. IMHO, that was an excellent idea (and fun too).
PUT THE GEAR OUT!
I say that because I had NASA Langley folks tell me that. One of them simply built the models for Langleys tunnels and he said to me that "I don't know how to fly an airplane but if you ever get into a spin, extend the gear. It's just what've I seen over and over."
Which is what happened when a cockpit team at Continental Express put a EMB-120 into a spin during climb out with passengers on board. I believe they had left in vertical speed mode in the climb till it stalled and spun. The FO through out the landing gear and it came out. Then they crash landed. FWIW. Also, you do spin training for your CFI and you teach spins when you're teaching someone to get a CFI. I've spun lots of Skyhawks but the recovery techniques, while albeit for the most part were let go and it'll come out, I found on occasion that it was possible to spin it where that wasn't the case. But for the most part when properly loaded to do spins the airplane didn't want to do without absurd and prolonged control inputs. Put people in the back and it'll spin much easier. eek.
So whether military or civilian, most all of us have learned and taught spins in a Cessna.
Last edited by forgot to bid; 06-12-2011 at 11:09 AM.