Well Carl, you'll be wasting your time looking for decreases aside from the temporary BK cuts and the year 1 rate which went from $52 down to whatever it is now. I also believe that Frontier pilots took another TEMPORARY cut just after 9/11 in order to avoid furloughs. That about covers the history of pay decreases at Frontier as far as I know.

Let's look at improvements. As has been covered before, once upon a time Frontier paid a salary that would barely make a RAHbro satisfied. Today, there is not a pilot here who isn't benefiting from the efforts FAPA put forth on our behalf. Airbus rates are certainly not industry leading, but also not bottom of the barrel. Since my arrival in 2006, I have seen FAPA negotiate away a relatively worthless ESOP program in exchange for a DC plan in which the company is contributing an additional 6% of my income. Today, I continue to track (as a lazy FO) with overall income and benefits exceeding what I would be making as an 11 year RJ CA at my previous employer. All with work rules allowing me to weasel my way out of ever working a Christmas holiday, averaging 16-17 days off each month, and turning 1 week blocks of vacation into 17-19 day stretches away from work. Each year my pay goes up. Snapbacks have recovered nearly all of the BK concessions. The pay scale continues to shift based on cost of living adjustments negotiated by FAPA.

All while working for a carrier getting pummeled by competition, mismanagement, fuel, BK, etc. I rarely go to sleep with the comfort of knowing I'll have a job in the morning. But, for the past 6 years I have enjoyed combined QOL and pay that a number of my 13+ year UAL (narrowbody) friends tell me they wish they enjoyed (vs. their 90+ hour months with 12 days off). Personally, I don't focus on the hourly numerical figure on my pay stub. If I did I would notice that I make $10-$15 per hour less than my friends at JetBlue and Airtran. But I would also see that I make more than the comparable 6 year rates at Virgin, Spirit, Allegiant, not to mention USAir and (almost) United (granted to CAL rates are better so that may change). I could be commuting to Newark for $119/hr. or LAX for $109/hr., and my paycheck would look a lot better. And, honestly, if I could do it all over again, I just might wish that was the case. But, I also take much more into account like time at home, living in domicile (somewhere I like living), etc. I enjoy my life at Frontier unlike many of my friends at UAL, etc., some of which (after 13 years) have taken military leaves with very little intention of returning.

It's nice that you guys have the luxury of subsidizing your domestic flying with international. I certainly wish we had that deal. But instead, we have the luxury of competing against our friends over at LUV in the only 2 markets we focus on. The 2 most brutalized markets (revenue wise) in the US over the past few years. We are, once again, lucky to be here today. Everyone is so bent on what is going to amount to somewhat tolerable TEMPORARY (AGAIN) concessions, not to save the company directly, but hopefully to convince others who can, that their risk is worth taking. I am pretty certain that no one posting on this board has actually read LOA67, and if you had, you would see that it is structured in a way that is not giving away the farm with no recourse. But, why am I even trying, right? Our "pay freeze" is defined as a "pay cut" in your world. It's nice to know that less than 700 pilots and a fleet of 55 Airbuses have such a pull in this industry. Chances are we will be gone soon enough so you'll be able to point out the fact that Frontier's concessions (TEMPORARY) did nothing to save the airline so why should our case be a factor in your future negotiations.