Originally Posted by WorldTraveler

Yes, you read that right. These are our fellow union members. And here we are gleefully plotting the demise of their careers. We get righteous about protecting the furloughs who are gone through no fault of our own but can't wait to shove Express pilots out the door. What is the difference? Both were selected by the company, not us . Pure chance as to which silo they ended up in.
Just because some had guppy killer stickers doesn't mean you can condemn the whole group or even that we can deny our obligation as union members. Like it or not that what we signed up for as trade unionists. Otherwise, we are no better than management and we should just throw away the contract and it's everyman for himself.

I agree the best thing is to do some kind of flow through.

Oh and by the way, they are not "kids", OK? Many are 40 year old long time professionals. And even the 20 year olds are people I trust with my life. They are fellow ALPA members and professional pilots

If we don't like considering them as equals then perhaps we should leave ALPA altogether. Which, I think, would be a legitimate debate.