Originally Posted by
Columbia
If what you're saying is true, then how DID UAL pilots get their 2000 payrates?
Exactly, and it's the addition to OUC's quote below, although agree with most of what OUC said.
Most of what enabled the C2000 outcome was Rick Dubinsky's (MEC chair)
refusal to back down to protect ALPA's seeming bias to not strike along
with the summer of 2000 demonstration that the pilots wouldn't be intimidated by mgmt. threats.
The company's back was pushed against the wall. Imho, that's the only way to go again unfortunately. Nobody wants to strike. But that eventuality
may be necessary to "negotiate" back toward what was taken from us in bankruptcy as is so conveniently ignored and forgotten by mgmt.
Originally Posted by
Old UCAL CA
Taking it a step further to the present day, this industry is deregulated, global in nature and so fiercely competitive that there likely isn't a surviving company or management group that would sign up to base labor compensation that they considered uncompetitive relative to other industry companies. If "bankruptcy" wages are where the industry is, that's about where everybody will sit ..........
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......until a group steps up like UAL or American did to force a strike and put the same pressure back on mgmt. that that they put upon the pilots,
to show today's compensation and offers are totally unacceptable.
Now, American was forced back to work, but it still improved their outcome.
The fact that UAL is larger now and a more significant factor in U.S. commerce will have the government being involved as well.
Both those points don't justify avoiding a strike, just additional factors.
The biggest problem imho is ALPA's reluctance to push for a substantial return to the previous contract
because of fearing the income losses it would incur to defend us. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
(ie. the ALPA dues losses/costs during a strike and actually burning the strike fund)